Great New Article About Elite Dangerous

[Julio Montega]

Totally agree with you. In my opinion, it's exactly as some posters wrote few pages before.

Too much angelism on Fdev side. Believing that the Solo, PG and Open would allow somehow good balance in PVP/PVE players ecosystem due to the possibility to jump from one mode to another.

But that's the problem with trade-off solution, sometimes it satisfies no-one.

And the trade-off is a deal with the devil.
Trade-off translates to "halve baked bread" for me.

Yet a totally exclusive PvE mode, that would be the trial that is currently undertaken with large player based pgs,
with the same illness: interaction and manipulation of the BGS/galaxy.

If you create two galaxies, you do not know what info is for which galaxy (cgs/reports/wars).
So this cannot be a solution suitable for all modes.

 

[Asp Explorer]

As FD have stated - all modes are equal in their ability to manipulate the BGS. That's fair enough - as the modes allow players the freedom to (generally) choose who they play with. That's a good thing.

However, we've seen how upset people can get over "nasty people blew me up for no reason" and "afraid players skulking in their hugboxes free from risk" and there's really no way to smooth that over.

Powerplay (as big a mess as it is) would be one way of attempting to do so. Player Factions should be pledgeable and associated with the appropriate Power Faction. If you want to oppose other players, pledge to a group. Pledging would log you into Open by default, and allow you the normal Powerplay progress and benefits. Logging into Private Group or Solo would have no detriment to what you have already achieved, but you would temporarily lose Powerplay involvement (and so be unable to progress with it) until you logged back into Open, where you could again take part.

Of course, that would upset those people who want to take part in Powerplay without playing with other people. It would have no effect on anyone who completely ignores Powerplay anyway.

All sort of problems with that approach, better minds than mine can come up with better solutions - but it's Friday - I'm off work - I'm off call - and I'm enjoying beers

 

[Mixxi Pal]

You should remmeber Harry Potter/Besieger and Kate Click were very good friends prior to this incident heck the hammer of slough were pretty much in league with SDC etc if you go back on it.

Ah. I wasn't aware of any history between them but that explains why he was in Kate's group. I'm not personally against maniacs flying around attacking others for "fun" incidentally (I think I'd enjoy being their victim occasionally even) but the Potter v Kate video was just a bit too moronic for my taste. I felt sorry for her

 

[Cosmos]

except we don't do anything in the name of SDC, we do it because we want ''emergent content'' something the game is lacking. Everytime you post you seem to be missing the point, it makes me wonder if you take the time to read what we type. Did you read the article? You can't make it more clear; there is a quote from Ornee who explain why we do what we do.

You can basically describe the game As wide as an ocean, but as deep as a puddle.

We want to have fun, it's quite simple to understand. If that means we have to go on about killing other cmdrs to have fun then that's what we are going to do.

Some of the most enjoyable and memorable times I had in game were during development when there was a handful of system and no solo or private group. So much player on player action, it was great fun, dynamic and interesting. Since release we have basically been left playing what amounts to the PvE. As much as a like ED and its got a lot going for it, the PvE experience is dull, predictable, unchallenging, unrewarding and lack luster, compared against all the shenanigans that went on, like the battle for Aulin and the wars around Freeport.

So many people I know have just stopped playing ED because they say its boring and I can't really disagree with where they are coming from. If I hadn't got a lifetime pass I would probably not have bought Horizons or continued playing either. As much as I love the guys at FD I think they are in total denial about the PvE side of their game and its extremely frustrating they refuse to let us have emergent sandbox gameplay.

 

[Scoopy Doopy]

Very good, If we wish that the current society proceeds in a linear path, we should be reinforcing the perceived positive and punishing the perceived negative.

Then we would need to agree on what is positive and intellectually I suspect this might continue the discussion for many pages. However naive it may sound, I have a feeling we all know what is really positive, though we might deny it.

If I didn't fly almost entirely in solo these days, I think I wouldn't be too disappointed to bump into you around some M class some day. Fly safe.

 

[bitstorm]

This is absolute nonsense.

Firstly, the player group is not organised. Some members,and others who are not members chose a course of action and organised themselves in the forums.

So you're saying a group of players organized to undermine SDC? Not sure how that's not an organized group but ok.

They played the rules of the game to adjust the BGS. SDC had exactly the same tools to defend themselves but a) apparently they didn't care and b) if they did care they failed.

The point you're missing is that a PvP group was being forced to engage in a significant amount of PvE or give up the system.

 

[Julio Montega]

As FD have stated - all modes are equal in their ability to manipulate the BGS. That's fair enough - as the modes allow players the freedom to (generally) choose who they play with. That's a good thing.

Whatever they have stated, and no matter how many times, i ask you:
"Are they equal?"
"Is the expectation of interaction/manipulation of a player in solo equal to a player in a pg or in open?"

I don't think that is the fact.
And these parameters are discussed over and over and over... over.

Yet we get not a single solution to this dilemma since 3 modes were given,
so they stay in. That is unchangeable, people do not like to get something they know
and are accustomed to ripped out of their hands.

We cannot have split galaxies, since that would create an even greater chasm of desynchronization of interaction and manipulation.
We cannot change the social aspects within a short timeframe (years) to only result in a single type of player.
We are stuck with compromises and tradeoffs unless a magician heals all of the problems at once.

There is an idiom in my profession:
"You got to die a single death. Choose."

All sort of problems with that approach, better minds than mine can come up with better solutions - but it's Friday - I'm off work - I'm off call - and I'm enjoying beers

That is a very good sentiment,
and i will grab some sleep now.
Have a good night CMDRS.

 

[Laste]

It might not die but without colourful players the game would be a lot less interesting.

Colorful Players" Cmon Cosmos.

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"Recent events, however, show SDC has taken its griefing to the next, troubling level. It's infiltrated a private group of over 20,000 like-minded player-versus-environment fans, published gameplay videos that use ISIS-style audio to YouTube, and targeted streamers who raise money for charity."

That's not colorful players, that's elementary school nonsense.

 

[Asp Explorer]

So you're saying a group of players organized to undermine SDC? Not sure how that's not an organized group but ok.

As far as I can tell - there was nothing more organised than a forum thread basically saying "Let's knock out SDC in their home system, straight-through-the-BGS-delivery style" and those players who thought that would be a fun thing to do, simply went and did it.

Christ if they want attention so bad why not for their next video set their hair on fire.

I might actually watch one of their vids if that were to happen.

Arthur Brown was always good at that

 

[Cosmos]

As far as I can tell - there was nothing more organised than a forum thread basically saying "Let's knock out SDC in their home system, straight-through-the-BGS-delivery style" and those players who thought that would be a fun thing to do, simply went and did it.

So much for being 'victims' hey..

 

[Scoopy Doopy]

So you're saying a group of players organized to undermine SDC? Not sure how that's not an organized group but ok.



The point you're missing is that a PvP group was being forced to engage in a significant amount of PvE or give up the system.

I'm sorry but I think you swapped the words player and group around. It changes the context significantly.

Of course the PvP group were forced to do PvE if they wanted to engage in a PvE mechanic. Station keeping is a PvE thing. They chose PvE by asking for the system in the first place. The rules of the game are quite clear and clearly so to SDC as they used that as their justification for shooting Mobius players in the first place.

Did logic take a bit of a vacation when these forums started?

 

[Brimstone]

Colorful Players" Cmon Cosmos.

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"Recent events, however, show SDC has taken its griefing to the next, troubling level. It's infiltrated a private group of over 20,000 like-minded player-versus-environment fans, published gameplay videos that use ISIS-style audio to YouTube, and targeted streamers who raise money for charity."

That's not colorful players, that's elementary school nonsense.

SDC play the bad guys in a sea of good guys. The NPC's can't be the only threat.

So yes, they are colorful, despite what music they enjoy.

 

[Cosmos]

ISIS style music?

Really?

Christ if they want attention so bad why not for their next video set their hair on fire.

I might actually watch one of their vids if that were to happen.

It is total hyperbole to liken SDC with ISIS. I have developed a facial twtich which triggers every time I hear the word 'griefing'. I don't know anything about sabotaging a charity stream and I wouldn't do that myself but if you play in Open then thats a choice right?

 

[Scoopy Doopy]

ISIS style music?

Really?

Christ if they want attention so bad why not for their next video set their hair on fire.

I might actually watch one of their vids if that were to happen.

I watched some of their videos. They are incredibly boring. There's lots of flashing lights and giggling though which I guess is entertaining to some.

 

[Zieman]

As far as I can tell - there was nothing more organised than a forum thread basically saying "Let's knock out SDC in their home system, straight-through-the-BGS-delivery style" and those players who thought that would be a fun thing to do, simply went and did it.

So much for being 'victims' hey..

Well, Mobius members were victims of malicious infiltration of their group, and subsequent gloating about that.

"Let's knock out SDC in their home system, straight-through-the-BGS-delivery style" -folk were a mix of open, solo & private group players, showing their disapproval of SDC stunts.

 

[bitstorm]

As far as I can tell - there was nothing more organised than a forum thread basically saying "Let's knock out SDC in their home system, straight-through-the-BGS-delivery style" and those players who thought that would be a fun thing to do, simply went and did it.

Sure and that's exactly how I described it.

Someone thought I was saying this was all Mr Mobius' fault earlier and presumably the poster above thinks I'm saying the Mobius group organized themselves.

Folks misreading and then arguing against some imagined point, happens all the time with threads like this. [blah]

It's not like it being Mobius the group, Mobius the player or a group organized through the forums makes any difference whatsoever to what I was saying anyway.

 

[Cosmos]

Well, Mobius members were victims of malicious infiltration of their group, and subsequent gloating about that.

"Let's knock out SDC in their home system, straight-through-the-BGS-delivery style" -folk were a mix of open, solo & private group players, showing their disapproval of SDC stunts.

One had a chance to defend themselves the other did not. The flaws in this game are clear for anyone to see.. Meanwhile in EvE.. http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2016/03/31/eve-online-is-moving-towards-its-largest-conflict-in-history

[video=youtube_share;aUPlVi2YYxs]https://youtu.be/aUPlVi2YYxs[/video]

It pains me to say this but FD are turning ED into a borefest by catering to the risk averse and forumdads..It could be SO much more If only CCP would make EvE play like EvE Valkyerie. You would never hear from me here again.

 

[Scoopy Doopy]

Sure and that's exactly how I described it.

Someone thought I was saying this was all Mr Mobius' fault earlier and presumably the poster above thinks I'm saying the Mobius group organized themselves.

Folks misreading and then arguing against some imagined point, happens all the time with threads like this. [blah]

It's not like it being Mobius the group, Mobius the player or a group organized through the forums makes any difference whatsoever to what I was saying anyway.

Except of course "group of players" can be solo, group or open and unless you are advocating removing all three groups to protect the BGS from being affected by anybody I struggle to see what your point was.

 

[DanaM]

A thread such as this is a feeding trough for the likes of SDC. Understand that they get their pleasure - possibly, in extreme cases, their only real pleasure - from hurting others, and the outrage on display here is to them not only a confirmation of their success but an opportunity to rationalise their situation in order to maintain a state of denial. Imagine what it must be like to confront your own sadism.

Interestingly the most dangerous are those who have done just that and moved on. They don't become less sadistic they just have fewer inhibitions. What's particularly chilling is that what they do in ED is the least of it. The same people exist in the real world too.

The most effective tactic in gameplay and on the forum is simply to ignore them. Cut off their food supply. It's good advice but I offer it with the conviction it'll be largely ignored. It requires too much self restraint. Resign yourself therefore to the continuation of your suffering.

A lot of truth here. Griefers want to use someone's pretend spaceship to work on their emotional issues. That's within the game rules. No real harm done. However, now that they've ID'd themselves in game and on forum, they've made themselves into targets for people who have issues with their behavior: they can expect to reap the whirlwind. No problem, right? I think ED would be a lot better off without the griefer set, but as long as they're here, I say enjoy the opportunity to give them a good stomp or 3.

BTW, I agree with you and walk the walk to the extent that I've got most of the griefers Ignored and only are aware of their continued presence when they're quoted. Makes threads a lot easier to read- more on topic, more intelligent. I highly recommend that much, at least.

 

[Scoopy Doopy]

One had a chance to defend themselves the other did not. The flaws in this game are clear for anyone to see.. Meanwhile in EvE.. http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2016/03/31/eve-online-is-moving-towards-its-largest-conflict-in-history

Can you please post this every five minutes , each time in a new thread so those attracted by that kind of thing can see clearly see how wonderful Eve is.