The argument is getting moot now. The fact remains, these groups DO exist, and have so much influence now that they are discussed on every forum I have been on, and have even been mentioned by official FD content creators on the In-game newsfeed and in the Official newsletters. Whether we like it or not, they are dominating the galaxy where they reside. Providing online players with better and more informative tools to facilitate group play would be a good thing in my opinion. If it was not in FD's vision for the game, then I doubt they would have been graced with such publicity. FD have been VERY interactive with the organised communities within its game, and I like that.
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The argument is getting moot now. The fact remains, these groups DO exist, and have so much influence now that they are discussed on every forum I have been on, and have even been mentioned by official FD content creators on the In-game newsfeed and in the Official newsletters. Whether we like it or not, they are dominating the galaxy where they reside. Providing online players with better and more informative tools to facilitate group play would be a good thing in my opinion. If it was not in FD's vision for the game, then I doubt they would have been graced with such publicity. FD have been VERY interactive with the organised communities within its game, and I like that.
Huh? The devs CHOSE to put these pieces in GalNet. CODE has the game up in arms over piracy? The Mercs of Mikunn BUILT a space station? Lugh changed a dot on the galaxy map to a different color? And you want proof of influence? You are moving incrementally to a place of trolldom...
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I cannot, under any circumstance, see the logic behind your proposition that Wings does not fit into the game. The idea that a few fighters can group together and attack a target, whilst communicating, seems ESSENTIAL to what this game is trying to achieve. I would not want to play this game otherwise..
He didn't say mmo he said Massivley Multiplayer...which it is.
So do THAT yourselves.
And you can fly in solo safe in the knowledge that online pilots cannot interact ingame in a meaningful manner? You keep going on about how nothing needs to be added, and you should just do it yourself. Tell me, before Elite did you just sit in a dark room, with your hands on some broom handles, imagining you were flying through space discovering new planets? Why not just do it all yourself? At least ADD SOMETHING MEANINGFUL TO THE DISCUSSION...
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What on Earth are you talking about?
Soon! That IS the goal of the devs, you are aware, right? Less curation and more automation. Mark this place in this thread. You saw it here first! I hope there will still be room for some GM mode content additions, but players WILL be making many of these changes as the developers work out the problems in the BGS.
So being able to organize groups within the game fits with the game, but having in-game tools to make that organization easier does not?
You already acknowledged that organized groups exist in Open play and said yourself that they fit with the game.
I figured as much.
So your sole reason for opposing a feature that could improve the game for a lot of people is based entirely on sentimentality?
Good for you.
No, the in-game factions are precisely as described by the dictionary definition of faction.
You mean, "moot"
And no, it is not a moot point....The "end product" in Elite - factions - is not the same. Factions here are as described : "a group or clique within a larger group, party, government,organization, or the like"
They are also NPC factions, and they are what is being influenced by player actions. You're wanting something entirely different from that.
I remember early on last year us backers commenting that the concept of Elite will not be for everyone, and that it will come as quite a surprise - even shock - once the game was released and new players come into the game. Seriously, Elite is not like other games you have played.
Elite is not Diablo. And yes we can agree to disagree. By all means let's have in-game player grouping, which can be administered by players - for example, exactly like the Mobius group in that it is a closed playing group which will be playing within it's closed bubble (i.e. not in Open). So you can have - like the Mobius group - the EIC group, the CORE group etc. And they can be player administered (e.g. if the current EIC admin gets run over by a bus, another player from that group can take over as administrator). It's just that, like Mobius, it won't be in Open.
Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief. This is why so many people are being willfully ignorant of the arguments being presented here, and why they are so against a simple change that would not affect anyone who does not want to use it (unless they are somehow triggered by seeing groups of friends flying together). Within time, this game WILL get the tools and functionality, as it did with wings. Then maybe the loners will understand it was never about them, and anyones attempt to undermine their gameplay. The game is just evolving, and moving into new territory. This game will soon have to compete and coexist along side other games that DO offer improved functionality, and no amount of forum whine will change that.
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I think I'll just build a bigger firewall, just in case.
No, the in-game factions are precisely as described by the dictionary definition of faction.
You mean, "moot"
The "end product" in Elite - factions - is not the same. Factions here are as described : "a group or clique within a larger group, party, government,organization, or the like"
They are also NPC factions, and they are what is being influenced by player actions. You're wanting something entirely different from that.
I remember early on last year us backers commenting that the concept of Elite will not be for everyone, and that it will come as quite a surprise - even shock - once the game was released and new players come into the game. Seriously, Elite is not like other games you have played.
Elite is not Diablo. And yes we can agree to disagree. By all means let's have in-game player grouping, which can be administered by players - for example, exactly like the Mobius group in that it is a closed playing group which will be playing within it's closed bubble (i.e. not in Open). So you can have - like the Mobius group - the EIC group, the CORE group etc. And they can be player administered (e.g. if the current EIC admin gets run over by a bus, another player from that group can take over as administrator). It's just that, like Mobius, it won't be in Open.
So basically you are okay with player factions as long as they don't play in Open. Lol at this...
Please read my quote from one of my earlier posts, this might help you to understand this game to the point where you see where your arguments are, as is the current word du jour - moot.
If you cant be bothered to refute me, I cant be bothered to read your old posts..
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It was previously suggested that organized guilds should get to play in a new mode, where it's guild vs guild but not quite in Open, so that lone/small group players wouldn't be forced to encounter them. What is wrong with that?
Ah, you're the one who's been losing his mind in their last few posts and being rather passive-agressive
I also question your reading comprehension skills. I did not say I'm "okay with player factions as long as they don't play in Open"
I said I'm okay with people making Groups like Mobius - except call them EIC or whatever - it's just that like Mobius, they won't be in Open.
They need to add your networking posts to the forum bingo
Probably - although I am only offering possibilities and not my actions. I will still have to build a bigger firewall, just in case
No, the in-game factions are precisely as described by the dictionary definition of faction.
You mean, "moot"
I type to fast. Yes this point is Moot, the difference is not discernible.
Explain how Crimson State Group and Emperor's Grace and Mercenaries of Mikunn or Code differ from being a guild or an in game faction. All are based on overarching factions (Crimson State IS an in game faction that IS independent, EG IS an Empire faction, playing for the betterment of the Empire, Mercs are working FOR the in game faction Dukes of Mikunn, Code is playing a Pirate faction). Thus they are factions. They are all player creations to 'do something as a group'.
[/FONT][/COLOR]They are also NPC factions, and they are what is being influenced by player actions. You're wanting something entirely different from that.
I remember early on last year us backers commenting that the concept of Elite will not be for everyone, and that it will come as quite a surprise - even shock - once the game was released and new players come into the game. Seriously, Elite is not like other games you have played.
Elite is not Diablo. And yes we can agree to disagree. By all means let's have in-game player grouping, which can be administered by players - for example, exactly like the Mobius group in that it is a closed playing group which will be playing within it's closed bubble (i.e. not in Open). So you can have - like the Mobius group - the EIC group, the CORE group etc. And they can be player administered (e.g. if the current EIC admin gets run over by a bus, another player from that group can take over as administrator). It's just that, like Mobius, it won't be in Open.
I do not understand the limitation to 'not Open'. I disagree with this idea. If people have a problem with the way players play and behave in Open, they have other ways to play the game.
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