Holding Umbrage with Huayangosaurus Being Resold

[Mjmannella]

It’s the old you should sell that painting for less because I want it and that price seems too high. Primarily because the buyer does not understand the hours it took to paint it or how much the artist had to work to build up the skill to be able to paint it in the first place.

We did and we already bought it, 3 years ago. If you're selling a new art collection and reserve an illustration from the prior edition exclusively as part of a "deluxe edition", I would find that to be disagreeable.

There is a fixed amount of time the dev team has to work on the game, they have to prioritize some things while pushing others off to post-launch/DLC projects.

What exactly about Huayangosaurus made it require to be Day 1 DLC? It's not getting changed anymore than other dinos brought over from JWE1, which are all being added at the base price tag.

There is a large amount of talk about precedence, how can there be a precedence, this is literally the preorder and first DLC.

It's more about preventing the precedence from starting. It hasn't happened yet, but turning a blind eye to this sort of decision would enable repeated actions to occur.

It is setting the precedence, and Hyangsaurs may be in DLC specifically so they don’t set the precedent you get all the old ones for free. This is fine by me, they took time to make so the team should get paid for making them.

We shouldn't be paying extra for ports. Paying for new assets is fine, but not for ones ported over and dated by 3 years.

 

[Oxythief]

LOL why am I doing this?

We did and we already bought it, 3 years ago. If you're selling a new art collection and reserve an illustration from the prior edition exclusively as part of a "deluxe edition", I would find that to be disagreeable.

If it's the same why bother buying the new game?

What exactly about Huayangosaurus made it require to be Day 1 DLC? It's not getting changed anymore than other dinos brought over from JWE1, which are all being added at the base price tag.

Day 1 DLC is a thing because of inflation. Game prices have remained the same while the cost of making them has gone up. Day 1 DLC is a way to charge more for the game in line with what it cost to make while still keeping the "base game" afordable to those who can't pay the elvated price. DLC helps spread the cost of making a great game out so there is not a masive sticker shock on day one.

It's more about preventing the precedence from starting. It hasn't happened yet, but turning a blind eye to this sort of decision would enable repeated actions to occur.

So the Dev Team should work for free, to give you free stuff.

We shouldn't be paying extra for ports. Paying for new assets is fine, but not for ones ported over and dated by 3 years.

 

[Ashaantha]

I feel like it is wrong to demand the dev teamwork for free. Demanding dinosaurs be free in the new game just because they were in the old game is just that.

No. Just no to all this. No one is saying any of that.
This has never had anything to do with the developers, they do an amazing job (that they are paid for, if they aren't I'd have Major words for Frontier) and should get all the shout outs and accolades for their work, the game and dinosaurs look absolutely amazing from the development footage I've seen and I hope the game is successful and Frontier gives them a bonus for the Christmas holidays.
The devs are not connected to, nor have any responsibility for, the business decisions of what content goes where (base game, paid packs, free updates) at all.
The deluxe pack would exist with the same price regardless of what decision of content was made, that decision of price is also way above the development teams' jobs in the managerial rankings. Please leave the devs out of this as it does not and should not reflect on them at all. They've done amazing work.

 

[Oxythief]

No. Just no to all this. No one is saying any of that.
This has never had anything to do with the developers, they do an amazing job (that they are paid for, if they aren't I'd have Major words for Frontier) and should get all the shout outs and accolades for their work, the game and dinosaurs look absolutely amazing from the development footage I've seen and I hope the game is successful and Frontier gives them a bonus for the Christmas holidays.
The devs are not connected to, nor have any responsibility for, the business decisions of what content goes where (base game, paid packs, free updates) at all.
The deluxe pack would exist with the same price regardless of what decision of content was made, that decision of price is also way above the development teams' jobs in the managerial rankings. Please leave the devs out of this as it does not and should not reflect on them at all. They've done amazing work.

Who do you think pays decides their salaries? Who do you think greenlit the project? Do you think this would be in production if it couldn't make a profit? To maintain profit revenue has to be greater than cost. So either we pay more, increase revenue; or they cut costs, exploit the dev team / decrease the quality and scope of the game. Which would you prefer?

 

[HeatherG]

If we could please keep this thread a little calmer please. I don't want it to get to the point where we do so much moderating in it that it ends up locked.

Thank you!

 

[Mjmannella]

If it's the same why bother buying the new game?

JWE2 has very promising features that I look forward to enjoying when I buy the game on a massive sale like I did with JWE1. The practice of re-selling old dinos is something I very much don't enjoy.

Day 1 DLC is a thing because of inflation. Game prices have remained the same while the cost of making them has gone up. Day 1 DLC is a way to charge more for the game in line with what it cost to make while still keeping the "base game" afordable to those who can't pay the elvated price. DLC helps spread the cost of making a great game out so there is not a masive sticker shock on day one.

Again, just because something does happen doesn't mean it's automatically something supportable. If a country passed a law where it was illegal to eat apples, it'd still be a bad thing in spite of it being a mandated practice.

So the Dev Team should work for free, to give you free stuff.

That is something I've never said. I'm 100% open to paying premium for new content, not for content I already enjoyed 3 years ago.

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Huayangosaurus is no less of a port than Parasaurolophus, Torosaurus, Dracorex, or many other JWE1 dinos. I have yet to be given any evidence to the contrary even after 8 pages of hefty discussion.

 

[Jurassic Tyrant King]

Stegosaurs Size Charts

Violet- Stegosaurus
Bright Green-Wuerhosaurus
Light Brown- Tuojiangosaurus
Red- Hesperosaurus
Black- Lexovisaurus
Yellow- Hueyangosaurus(Small)
Dark Green- Kentrosaurus (small)
Light Black-Gigantspinosaurus (Small)

People have been complaining in the community that the dinosaurs weren't their actual sizes in Jurassic world evolution so it makes sense for frontier to decrease the size of this little dinosaur Hueyangosaurus and Kentrosaurus in JWE2 since these species are small Stegosaurs that's why I think frontier is going to reduce the size to their paleo accurate size in this game. Because if chasmosaurus is reduced in size to its accurate size then this little dinosaur and Kentrosaurus might actually also be paleo accurate.

 

[Mjmannella]

People have been complaining in the community that the dinosaurs weren't their actual sizes in Jurassic world evolution so it makes sense for frontier to decrease the size of this little dinosaur Hueyangosaurus and Kentrosaurus in JWE2 since these species are small Stegosaurs that's why I think frontier is going to reduce the size to their paleo accurate size in this game. Because if casimosaurus is reduced in size to its accurate size then this little dinosaur and Kentrosaurus might actually also be paleo accurate.

That'd be fine, though it still wouldn't be a change to the model itself like I would've wanted.

 

[PCMR4Life]

It comes with the deluxe edition if you preorder. I am sure you can buy the deluxe edition content later on. I preordered the deluxe edition for the vehicle skins and the NEW dinosaurs. But I am happy to have the Huayangosaurus back. I wanted all the dinosaurs from the first game to make it to the new game, one way or another. Even if some of them come back as optional DLC.

It's simple. don't like it? Don't buy it. No one is forcing you to buy anything. You can preorder the base game without the deluxe content.

 

[Mjmannella]

That argument has already been addressed in this thread.

And being able to buy a port later doesn't discard the fact that a port is being sold at premium

 

[NC1265]

At this point, I think it would be better to closer this thread out. I don't really know what you want here. You're not going to force Frontier to backtrack on this decision. Even if they did, what would it change? Pretty much nothing. Sorry if it offends you so much that a dinosaur from Evolution 1 is in the deluxe edition of the sequel, but there's literally nothing any of us can do about it. You want to be upset about something genuinely bad? Why not take issue with the glaring and egregious miscommunication on how the creature skin system is supposed to work. Petition for a straight answer to that. That's a legitimate problem, not what this thread has been rehashing over and over again without resolution.

 

[Mjmannella]

The presence of a worse issue does not invalidate the wrongness of a less bad issue. My intent to to make noise about the issue in the hopes that it will be listened to, as was done with the binturong in Planet Zoo.

 

[NC1265]

The PZ binturong was an entirely different issue. That was a case of someone or some people designed something that clearly did not resemble the actual animal. They fixed it because they realized there was genuine validity behind the critique. The original model was not very good. The Huayangosaurus in Evolution 2 is a whole different matter. There are bigger potential issues and concerns than a dinosaur first introduced in Evolution 1 being part of the deluxe edition of the sequel. Again, this is the only species that is not new in the deluxe edition. Is it a bit lazy of them to do? Maybe. Is it something to throw a major fit about? Not necessarily. Why not state your grievances directly to one of the CMs or a developer? I can't guarantee they'll listen, but maybe that would be the smarter course instead of arguing with other people who have no say in how the game or any additional content for it is developed.

 

[Mjmannella]

I'm trusting that the CMs read through everything on the forums, that's kind of their job. If anything, the debates bump this thread up which increases visbility

 

[NC1265]

Still, it might be a good idea to bring your case directly to someone involved with the game's development or someone with a direct line of communication to those people. Again, not saying they'll be the most receptive, but could it really hurt to try that?

 

[Mjmannella]

Well, since you insist:
@Francesca Falcini would you be able to comment on this issue? I think it's a genuine concern about how legacy content will be handled and I'd like to hear some sort of response as to why the Huayangosaurus did not receive a model update and is yet being charged premium.

 

[MarcWP]

You still keep saying the model is not updated just because it looks the same. It's like saying every Porsche the last 20 years has been the same car, because the design is identical. It's still completely different cars. You can't just look at something from the outside and conclude it's the same, before you try it out. You have no idea if the dinosaur will behave the same or if it has other new features. Please stop lying about this, as you have no knowledge about the matter whatsoever.

 

[Mjmannella]

You still keep saying the model is not updated just because it looks the same.

That's... exactly what it means. The model is the same as before because it wasn't updated.

You have no idea if the dinosaur will behave the same or if it has other new features.

I'm sure it'll have a few additional animations and other minor tweaks, but I'm expecting that from every other dinosaur that was ported over from JWE1 (ex. Parasaurolophus, Torosaurus, Dracorex). It's nothing that makes Huayangosaurus alone worth the premium price compared to other dinosaurs that had the exact same process done to them.

 

[MarcWP]

That's... exactly what it means. The model is the same as before because it wasn't updated.

I'm sure it'll have a few additional animations and other minor tweaks, but I'm expecting that from every other dinosaur that was ported over from JWE1 (ex. Parasaurolophus, Torosaurus, Dracorex). It's nothing that makes Huayangosaurus alone worth the premium price compared to other dinosaurs that had the exact same process done to them.

The model can still be updated, despite it looking the same as earlier? There's more to a model than the appearance. Just like I wrote with the car example.

And good, now you agree that the model is different from JWE1, so please stop saying it's the same. It might also have more variations than the other dino's being ported over. Get the facts straight, before you start your accusations... You must be a troll.

 

[Mjmannella]

No, the behavioural changes are irrelevant to the model. The model is the created mesh of the animal, which is identical to how it was in JWE. What I meant by "minor tweaks" was entirely coding and programming, not at all about the model