News Horizons Beta Delay to Monday 30th November

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Bomber

Bomber
The real reasons for the delay are:

A) Chuck Norris asked for the 30th (and he gets what he wants...& we're too scared to ask him why):eek:
B) The ED are holding out for more beer & pizza...cant blame them I'm off to stock up myself;)
C) The ED staff have had to order more shammy leather's to buff up my shiney new Cobra Mk IV:cool:
 

lysan

lysan
Bomber said:
The real reasons for the delay are:

A) Chuck Norris asked for the 30th (and he gets what he wants...& we're too scared to ask him why):eek:
B) The ED are holding out for more beer & pizza...cant blame them I'm off to stock up myself;)
C) The ED staff have had to order more shammy leather's to buff up my shiney new Cobra Mk IV:cool:
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All valid points however I would recon that the hidden agenda is thargoids... they are coming .... soon (TM)
 

Tinman

Tinman
BEKTOP 3APEMOB said:
Does this mean that people who didn't buy Horizons will be able to zoom around planets in Orbital Cruise, but only those who bought the second season will be able to land on the surface (drop to normal flight from orbital cruise)? I'd like that :)
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No. You need the module to enter below the orbital cruise "threshold", basically the current dropout barrier. They have mentioned that they might bring that barrier in closer to the planet though and this would mean that people could still get closer even without Horizons, but still not enter orbital cruise.
 

8BitDuck

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Seriously what is people's problem with the delayed release? Frontier have done a bang up job so far and a now when a release has been pushed back a few days everyone gets all angry. The problem is obviously a major one otherwise they wouldn't have delayed it!! Now I understand that people are exited to finally land on planets, so am I, but you all need to calm down.
 

AnnuverScotinExile

AnnuverScotinExile
Tinman said:
So no, there won't be a invicible wall anywhere and if you wanted to you could fly up from the surface in normal flight all the way over to an orbiting station (or another planet in the solar system for that matter) and it would work just fine...it would take a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time, but it would be possible.
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Surely not a gotcha with Tinman?

As far as the flight is concerned, you are undoubtedly correct. However, as we saw with supercruising from one system to another, 'arriving' only works if they have written code to do all the instancing handshaking, etc., on arrival. They did not do that for supercruise between systems (the handshaking is only in the hyperspace process), and it seems unlikely that they would have done that for normal flight up to a spaceport.
 

Munial

Munial
Tinman said:
Do you mean we have an option to start on the surface with only a SRV and then have to earn enough money to buy our first Sidewinder?

I really hope this is what you mean, because that is part of the fantasy of "Elite 4" I've had for many years before ED came along...

Start off on the surface without any kind of vehicle and then work yourself "upwards".

Walking (nearby settlement/city)--> Planetary ground vehicle (easier access to nearby settlements/cities) --> "Airplane" (access to the entire planet) --> Orbital ship (get easier access to the planet and orbital stations) --> Interplanetary ship (solar/star system access) --> Hyperspace capable ship (the rest of the galaxy and where we start off now). This would mean that it would take quite a while before people even reached our current start position. :cool:
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This would be mindblowing!! With a total mandatory reset for everyone! race for the stars!! :)
 

Agrar Therenus

Agrar Therenus
8BitDuck said:
Seriously what is people's problem with the delayed release? Frontier have done a bang up job so far and a now when a release has been pushed back a few days everyone gets all angry. The problem is obviously a major one otherwise they wouldn't have delayed it!! Now I understand that people are exited to finally land on planets, so am I, but you all need to calm down.
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Games developers don't do this out of the kindness of their hearts. It's called work: we buy products from them with money; and they are paid to complete jobs.

Like I said, a few days of delays are acceptable, because one has to have some leniency. However, by the attitude of the community in general they almost seem to welcome delays, and encourage them in some cases.
 

rootsrat

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Agrar Therenus said:
Games developers don't do this out of the kindness of their hearts. It's called work: we buy products from them with money; and they are paid to complete jobs.

Like I said, a few days of delays are acceptable, because one has to have some leniency. However, by the attitude of the community in general they almost seem to welcome delays, and encourage them in some cases.
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In the case of beta you don't buy a product, but pay for a right (or privilege) to access an early, incomplete version of the product. The developers set a deadline to roll out that early, unfinished beta version at some point in time, but if they consider it not fit to be rolled out, they will delay it. That's what happened here.

The majority of people posting in this thread (which by all means is NOT most of the community, i.e. total population of players) are fine with that, as they seem to understand that it's better to get a beta later, but with less game breaking bugs.
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
rootsrat said:
The majority of people posting in this thread (which by all means is NOT most of the community, i.e. total population of players) are fine with that, as they seem to understand that it's better to get a beta later, but with less game breaking bugs.
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I suspect most of the people complaining did not have the joy of the spinning sidewinder of doom.
Despite what the name beta may imply, we are not front line beta testers imo. As someone who tests beta software at work, it isnt fun, and true games beta testing is a horrible labourious job (my mate did it for EF2000 back in the day and by the end of it he HATED the game) and is something FD get paid to do in house.

we are very much 2nd line beta testers where the game just needs fine tuning and little harder to spot bugs need ironing out. IF everyone in beta were expected to beta test properly the complaints would be epic ;)

the vast majority of people, even in this thread, are perfectly happy with the delay. I know I am :)
 
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8BitDuck

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Agrar Therenus said:
Games developers don't do this out of the kindness of their hearts. It's called work: we buy products from them with money; and they are paid to complete jobs.

Like I said, a few days of delays are acceptable, because one has to have some leniency. However, by the attitude of the community in general they almost seem to welcome delays, and encourage them in some cases.
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I understand that no one likes delays, but these things happen and are sometimes unavoidable. From everyone's responses they don't seem to welcome or encourage it, they understand that delays can happen and there is no point getting all worked up about it. At the end of the day, you will still get your game.

I would be worse if Frontier turned around on the day of the release saying "nope can't release today" without any explanation or forewarning that something was wrong, but Frontier have been saying for the past few days that a delay will be likely and they have also given a valid reason. No point in releasing a beta which won't allow you to test what they want you to test.
 

rootsrat

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rootsrat
Mad Mike said:
I suspect most of the people complaining did not have the joy of the spinning sidewinder of doom.
Despite what the name beta may imply, we are not front line beta testers imo. As someone who tests beta software at work, it isnt fun, and true games beta testing is a horrible labourious job (my mate did it for EF2000 back in the day and by the end of it he HATED the game) and is something FD get paid to do in house.

we are very much 2nd line beta testers where the game just needs fine tuning and little harder to spot bugs need ironing out. IF everyone in beta were expected to beta test properly the complaints would be epic ;)
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Agreed, that's my view as well.

Balancing, testing out new features, tweaks and fixes and how it all plays together from end user point of view - yes, that's our "job" as player beta testers.

Finding show stoppers and game breaking bugs - that's up to internal QA/testing team.

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The latter may cause delays in rolling out the beta.
 
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