Hot takes for planet zoo

CharlieXGaming

CharlieXGaming
Mr-Hyrax 2 said:
🐒Weekly Hot Take🐒
I realized a pattern from the 3 most recent dlc's, including America's Animal Pack, each have one unique animal that requires some form of new rig (Chicken, Sifaka, and now Saki) and then the rest are relatively easy to make animals, with one or two requiring some more effort then the rest but still being nothing insanely difficult to do (Highland Cow, Hamadryas Baboon, Dik-Dik, Bush Dog) so I wondered, using Frontier's current dlc template how would you make a new dlc, here is a template for what you need to do as well as a example of it
Clone: Reuses existing rig
Semi-Clone: somewhat different from existing rig, but still doesn't require to much effort
New rig: sadly we probably wont get another Porcupine or swan, so these will have to use a existing rig as a starting point, but can also be unique (animals like Prehensile-Tailed Porcupine, Pelican, Howler Monkey, Honey Badger, etc)
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How is this a thread about hot takes when you’re just asking people to make a DLC?
 

RightWhale

RightWhale
DarthQuell said:
I think the problem is that players probably are comparing birds to what we already have. We've seen it mentioned already that "spoonbills and ibises won't work because they perch a lot," but wasn't something similar said about how we wouldn't get gibbons because they brachiate, something we didn't have at the time? And now look: not only have we gotten 2 gibbon species that brachiate, but we have orangutans doing it too. And on top of that, what initially started off as an enrichment-only behavior has been expanded on tremendously by adding that capability to vines and rope.

So, I think it boils down to more comparing what we could get to what we have. It's easy to say that more cranes, flamingos, and penguins are the only birds we'll get by forgetting that it is capable to bring certain behaviors in-game through specific enrichment or build pieces
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Marvinb said:
I think its more the circumstance around the birds that are causing this rather than people not wanting a second flamingo etc period.
With something like the black bear and carnivorans its a little different imo. Like we have every mayor group of carnivora represented with one or two options: we got a bunch of cats, bunch of dogs, bunch of bears, a couple seals, otters, procyonids, hyeanas, you get the idea. The only missing "types" of carnivorans are a more marten/weasle like mustelid and a "civet". If we didnt had any seals yet i imagine the reactions would be very similar if they put the black bear in an NA pack over the sea lion.
For birds its a little different since there are some archetypes that are still missing completely like a pelican or a duck. Like if we already had a good selection of birds id be fine with something like another flamingo, especially since there would potentially be some cool options to mix it with.
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NachoB said:
Exactly. That's my point of view as well. That said, some birds clones are also important like what happened with the ratites or with penguins. I just wish we could get at least one unique bird i'm between clones. And no, the chicken doesn't count... The kiwi kind of does, even if it is from an overreprese ted group. The swan and the crane are the best examples i guess.
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Honestly going off what all of you said I do get it a bit better now, though to highlight the brachiation stuff:

I just don’t think we are gonna see something like that for birds at this point in the games lifespan. I would absolutely love it for sure! I just don’t foresee Frontier giving us some new enrichment items do people can replicate aviaries after 5 years of development, and with a potentially smaller team working on the game too. Once again, I would love to be proven wrong. I mean after years of all the bird arguments, and Frontier not doing a whole ton to fix it, I just don’t see Frontier releasing a brand new perching mechanic. But if I had to choose with “no new birds” or “flesh out what we have” I would rather we flesh out what we have.

Likewise, I understand and would love to get new bird groups represented in game. But that is part of my argument too. Frontier branched out mammals so much we can now get “the medium to small x that is found in y biome that we really needed”. However for birds we have to get something new due to the disparity. I’m not saying I don’t get how people might want something more unique, I’m more just sad that birds can’t really seem to afford the luxury of having “extras” for representation.

I would have loved the Roseate Spoonbill, but I would love to have it alongside our second Flamingo species. Flamingos are important in zoos, but so is the spoonbill. It just sucks it seems like we can’t have both. My issue is we all know bird representation is bad, so it puts this pressure that every new bird added has to be something unique. All the while we are about to finish having every bear species (just an example, not trying to pick on the ABB too much haha)
 

DarthQuell

DarthQuell
RightWhale said:
I’m more just sad that birds can’t really seem to afford the luxury of having “extras” for representation.
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Never say never. I feel like, despite the mistakes and flops this last year with DLC and communication, I feel like the devs are still trying to listen to the community:
  • Barnyard, for example, listened to the community to bring domestic animals and introduce in the update a new way to make interactive habitats. That's something many have wanted since the beginning of the game
  • Zookeeper Collection featured several highly requested animals and had a semi-worldwide approach. It brought us some species we felt were missing from previous packs, like the tortoise and baboon, as well as some favorites that might not have easily fit elsewhere, like the sifaka, dik-dik, and Pallas cat. Heck, it even brought the spectacled bear, which will go great with the upcoming DLC
  • Americas pack is giving us a primarily Latin America DLC, with the roster and props. Yeah, it could've been better, and we're not really sure what happened in the 1st place, but we can't argue that it somewhat tempered the desires for SA (although there are still several favorites that we want)
I'm saying that we don't know exactly what'll happen, but don't completely give up hope until we know for sure the support is over
 

RightWhale

RightWhale
DarthQuell said:
Never say never. I feel like, despite the mistakes and flops this last year with DLC and communication, I feel like the devs are still trying to listen to the community:
  • Barnyard, for example, listened to the community to bring domestic animals and introduce in the update a new way to make interactive habitats. That's something many have wanted since the beginning of the game
  • Zookeeper Collection featured several highly requested animals and had a semi-worldwide approach. It brought us some species we felt were missing from previous packs, like the tortoise and baboon, as well as some favorites that might not have easily fit elsewhere, like the sifaka, dik-dik, and Pallas cat. Heck, it even brought the spectacled bear, which will go great with the upcoming DLC
  • Americas pack is giving us a primarily Latin America DLC, with the roster and props. Yeah, it could've been better, and we're not really sure what happened in the 1st place, but we can't argue that it somewhat tempered the desires for SA (although there are still several favorites that we want)
I'm saying that we don't know exactly what'll happen, but don't completely give up hope until we know for sure the support is over
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So it’s not that I’m trying to give up hope, I feel like more birds is definitely on the table.

I’m just trying to keep my hopes level for unrealistic expectations. Is it possible we get a bird DLC with perch mechanics, or the WTE finally gets birds? Absolutely, as far as we know Frontier can just do that whenever. But do I think after this long in development, with everything going on with the Company, that we will see those WTE birds or new Perch enrichments?

Not really. But as you said they are listening to us, and crazier things have happened. It would be an awesome surprise that’s for sure.
 

Milurian

Milurian
don't think this is really a hot take but the new pack really should of been delayed.
When a reviewer had 3/7 animals show some sort of bug including getting frozen mid animations, the extent of the free update was a single fake looking flower, the building pieces were realistically just 3 or 4 objects broken down and the rhea being so fundamentally wrong it hurts this pack was not ready for a release.
 

The_Riot22

The_Riot22
Milurian said:
don't think this is really a hot take but the new pack really should of been delayed.
When a reviewer had 3/7 animals show some sort of bug including getting frozen mid animations, the extent of the free update was a single fake looking flower, the building pieces were realistically just 3 or 4 objects broken down and the rhea being so fundamentally wrong it hurts this pack was not ready for a release.
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Yeah they really "padded out" the wording on the Free Update to make it look a lot bigger. But most of it was just updating names/terminology.
Looked like my book reports back in school days...spend a lot of words saying nothing.
 

KönigDerKaffeebohnen

K
RightWhale said:
I got a hot take: I got to get over the fact that birds (as they currently are in PZ) will just never be as popular as I wish. Having no flying birds drastically reduces the value of birds for a lot of players, it’s like taking Tom Brady out of the Patriots Dynasty.

I can want another crane, flamingo, swan, or penguin and someone can tell me they are “clones” and don’t add anything new to the game. Then in that same breath talk about how important it is we get the American Black Bear.

“It’s so common in American Zoos, and would mean so much to local representation!”
“But the Flamingo doesn’t, and it’s lame.”

I’m not saying I don’t want the ABB, I do, but I’m really sick of how birds are relegated to each pick having to add “something new” while we absolutely need this other Asian small cat species to represent yada yada. I’m fine if you find the Rhea or flamingo boring, cause yeah it kind of is. But if we can finish bears, we can finish ratites. If it’s so important we can get two dogs in one pack, we should at least have one more flamingo for a zoo game. Making a Sandhill crane habitat won’t be different than a red crowned crane habitat, it’s just a better match for a local ecosystem. In the same way the habitat for the American Black Bear won’t be too different than a Spectacled bear, it’s just a better match for your build.

I get I just have to get over this, but man it’s a tough pill to swallow.
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Tbf as one of the few vocally underwhelmed by the american flamingo, id be the same for the ABB
I just want actual new animals, what a novelty
Its not not that i dont want Birds, i do, but i wanted a scarlet ibis or roseate spoonbill which you cant tell me would be more effort then the bush dog got or the saki
 

Mjmannella

Mjmannella
Now here's a new hot take: I miss the update that had rock objects count towards rock terrain in a habitat. It made rocks feel way more immersive to me, and enabled more creative ways to achieve the rock need than just having a floor made of rock. If it was a gameplay toggle like ageing speed, that'd be the best of both worlds.
 

Romanopulatious

Romanopulatious
Milurian said:
don't think this is really a hot take but the new pack really should of been delayed.
When a reviewer had 3/7 animals show some sort of bug including getting frozen mid animations, the extent of the free update was a single fake looking flower, the building pieces were realistically just 3 or 4 objects broken down and the rhea being so fundamentally wrong it hurts this pack was not ready for a release.
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Just out of curiosity. Which animals are freezing mid animation for you? I have this issue with the rhea, where it get stuck in a T-Pose position.
 

NachoB

NachoB
Mr-Hyrax 2 said:
🎭Weekly Hot Take🎭
with the mixed quality the previous two packs scenery have had, I had a question, what is a unknown or "controversial" peice/set that you love, I will start with the butterfly signs from Grassland, they are great for gardens and fun all around.
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The whole of the Australia pack scenery. People seem to dislike that pack's pieces. I think they are some of the best in the game haha

Maybe is because back when i played ZT2 i spent a lot of time trying to build an Australian zoo with that vibe and didn't have pieces like that and PZ just give them all in one set lol

But regardless of being good for theming i think it has pieces that are useful in general.
 

Mr-Hyrax 2

Mr-Hyrax 2
NachoB said:
The whole of the Australia pack scenery. People seem to dislike that pack's pieces. I think they are some of the best in the game haha

Maybe is because back when i played ZT2 i spent a lot of time trying to build an Australian zoo with that vibe and didn't have pieces like that and PZ just give them all in one set lol

But regardless of being good for theming i think it has pieces that are useful in general.
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I agree, these peices are great.
 
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