Safari Animal Pack:
- Grey Crowned Crane - Clone
- Serval - Clone
- Greater Kudu - Clone
- Nile Crocodile - Clone
- Honey Badger - Semi-Clone
- Mantled Guereza - Semi-Clone
- Southern Ground Hornbill - New Rig
Hot takes for planet zoo
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Americas Animal Pack is better than all of last year.
I'd love a Children's Zoo or Education Animal Pack...
I'd love a Children's Zoo or Education Animal Pack...
- South American Coati
- Cameroon Sheep
- Golden Lion Tamarin
- Silkie Chicken
- African Pygmy Goat
- Wild Turkey
- Banded Mongoose
Ehh i don't think the saki is that much of a new rig... I'm sure is basically based on the capuchin, they probably just tweaked the tail animations. In fact with no coati and no mara i don't think there is any animal in the Américas pack that has anything unique. The one that is different from what we have right now is the bush dog but even that one could be just a couple of new animations.
Me to, here is how I would do it (aka how I feel Frontier would do it)
️ Flemish Giant Rabbit (new rig)Radiated Tortoise (clone)
Ankole-Watusi (clone)
De Braza's Monkey (semi-clone)
Bat-Eared Fox (clone)
Guinea Fowl (clone)
Shetland Pony (clone)
We don't know, you are probably right but who knows, maybe we will get lucky. what ever the case is it was the closest thing this dlc had to a new rig, it's similar how the Highland clone was pretty much clone but sense I couldn't think of anything else in barnyard that filled that roll I had to give it to them.
New hot take: I’m generally pretty forgiving with animal models, and I prioritize it far less than the roster slot a model occupies. I don’t really care if a snout is 5% longer than it should be or if the fur is half an inch shorter than how it is IRL. I want to know if the work put into an animal models is for a model that has merit to be made (i.e. listening to the community)
And frankly, good models are the baseline. I don’t get the constant praise for what should be an expectation. It just feels like another demonstration of gamers as consumers conceding far too much ground to developers. Reminder, these aren’t gifts; they’re products being sold and ones that must be bought with our money. It’s okay to have standards!
And frankly, good models are the baseline. I don’t get the constant praise for what should be an expectation. It just feels like another demonstration of gamers as consumers conceding far too much ground to developers. Reminder, these aren’t gifts; they’re products being sold and ones that must be bought with our money. It’s okay to have standards!
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and the saki is just a capuchin nothing in the latest packs has been that innovative besides the animations on the sifaka
Which again... why?
A lot of animals were way high in the listo of priorities for most people. Why spend time, effort and resources into a mid tier animal that didn't have a huge demand like the sifakar, unlike more popular options like coati, secretary, duck, pelican, walrus or more "special" southamerican monkeys like the spider monkey.
I get that in this pack none of the animals are on that level of complexity... but the fact that they choose to focus on making the sifaka the unique one in the ZKs pack instead of any of those community favorites is so weird.
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my take on a coastal packWeekly Hot Take
I realized a pattern from the 3 most recent dlc's, including America's Animal Pack, each have one unique animal that requires some form of new rig (Chicken, Sifaka, and now Saki) and then the rest are relatively easy to make animals, with one or two requiring some more effort then the rest but still being nothing insanely difficult to do (Highland Cow, Hamadryas Baboon, Dik-Dik, Bush Dog) so I wondered, using Frontier's current dlc template how would you make a new dlc, here is a template for what you need to do as well as a example of it
Clone: Reuses existing rig
Semi-Clone: somewhat different from existing rig, but still doesn't require to much effort
New rig: sadly we probably wont get another Porcupine or swan, so these will have to use a existing rig as a starting point, but can also be unique (animals like Prehensile-Tailed Porcupine, Pelican, Howler Monkey, Honey Badger, etc)
4Clone:
- walrus
- northern elephant seal
- sandhill crane
- southern rockhopper penguin
- australian pelican
- sea otter
- green sea turtle
sifaka was the dumbest decision in this pack that effort could of easily been given to a squirrel howler or spider monkey. The sifaka was just a waste of resources functionally adding nothing to the game at the cost of the time it took to make that animation.
I'm pretty sure that the range of sandhill cranes are much more inland, inhabiting more freshwater environments.
didnt look too hard at its range just picked a crane I knew was at least close to the coast and was common.
I disagree solely because I love them and grew up on Zoboomafoo.
I got a hot take: I got to get over the fact that birds (as they currently are in PZ) will just never be as popular as I wish. Having no flying birds drastically reduces the value of birds for a lot of players, it’s like taking Tom Brady out of the Patriots Dynasty.
I can want another crane, flamingo, swan, or penguin and someone can tell me they are “clones” and don’t add anything new to the game. Then in that same breath talk about how important it is we get the American Black Bear.
“It’s so common in American Zoos, and would mean so much to local representation!”
“But the Flamingo doesn’t, and it’s lame.”
I’m not saying I don’t want the ABB, I do, but I’m really sick of how birds are relegated to each pick having to add “something new” while we absolutely need this other Asian small cat species to represent yada yada. I’m fine if you find the Rhea or flamingo boring, cause yeah it kind of is. But if we can finish bears, we can finish ratites. If it’s so important we can get two dogs in one pack, we should at least have one more flamingo for a zoo game. Making a Sandhill crane habitat won’t be different than a red crowned crane habitat, it’s just a better match for a local ecosystem. In the same way the habitat for the American Black Bear won’t be too different than a Spectacled bear, it’s just a better match for your build.
I get I just have to get over this, but man it’s a tough pill to swallow.
I can want another crane, flamingo, swan, or penguin and someone can tell me they are “clones” and don’t add anything new to the game. Then in that same breath talk about how important it is we get the American Black Bear.
“It’s so common in American Zoos, and would mean so much to local representation!”
“But the Flamingo doesn’t, and it’s lame.”
I’m not saying I don’t want the ABB, I do, but I’m really sick of how birds are relegated to each pick having to add “something new” while we absolutely need this other Asian small cat species to represent yada yada. I’m fine if you find the Rhea or flamingo boring, cause yeah it kind of is. But if we can finish bears, we can finish ratites. If it’s so important we can get two dogs in one pack, we should at least have one more flamingo for a zoo game. Making a Sandhill crane habitat won’t be different than a red crowned crane habitat, it’s just a better match for a local ecosystem. In the same way the habitat for the American Black Bear won’t be too different than a Spectacled bear, it’s just a better match for your build.
I get I just have to get over this, but man it’s a tough pill to swallow.
I think the problem is that players probably are comparing birds to what we already have. We've seen it mentioned already that "spoonbills and ibises won't work because they perch a lot," but wasn't something similar said about how we wouldn't get gibbons because they brachiate, something we didn't have at the time? And now look: not only have we gotten 2 gibbon species that brachiate, but we have orangutans doing it too. And on top of that, what initially started off as an enrichment-only behavior has been expanded on tremendously by adding that capability to vines and rope.
So, I think it boils down to more comparing what we could get to what we have. It's easy to say that more cranes, flamingos, and penguins are the only birds we'll get by forgetting that it is capable to bring certain behaviors in-game through specific enrichment or build pieces
I think its more the circumstance around the birds that are causing this rather than people not wanting a second flamingo etc period.
With something like the black bear and carnivorans its a little different imo. Like we have every mayor group of carnivora represented with one or two options: we got a bunch of cats, bunch of dogs, bunch of bears, a couple seals, otters, procyonids, hyeanas, you get the idea. The only missing "types" of carnivorans are a more marten/weasle like mustelid and a "civet". If we didnt had any seals yet i imagine the reactions would be very similar if they put the black bear in an NA pack over the sea lion.
For birds its a little different since there are some archetypes that are still missing completely like a pelican or a duck. Like if we already had a good selection of birds id be fine with something like another flamingo, especially since there would potentially be some cool options to mix it with.
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Exactly. That's my point of view as well. That said, some birds clones are also important like what happened with the ratites or with penguins. I just wish we could get at least one unique bird in between clones. And no, the chicken doesn't count... The kiwi kind of does, even if it is from an overrepresented group. The swan and the crane are the best examples i guess.
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At this point, if we could get some more cranes, swans, and gamefowl (like the peafowl and chicken), it'd be a step forward
