Hotas Thrustmaster - worth it?

Thank you monkey, I appreciate the info! I definitely want yaw control, in fact it's one of the key factors making me consider HOTAS over DS4. Flying with two sticks messes with me (I've tried it on OOLite) because my muscle memory is too attached to FPS walk-n-look. If the yaw axis locks, does this means HOTUS supports foot pedals? I'll likely stick with twisting for yaw, but I am curious.

I know you've not played ED with this HOTAS (the supported Thrustmaster), but how do you like the feel of it? Do you feel like you're getting your money's worth?

Firstly, there is a 'paddle' on the back of the throttle. It supports values 0-255, so it's the same kind of sensor as the yaw on the stick. If you disabled the twisting of the stick, you could use this for yaw. You should be able to see it here. There is a port on the HOTAS 4 for these foot pedals which you could use. I'm on the couch, so this is not an option for me but as you play at a desk with a monitor this could work for you. Now whether these would be supported in game I am not 100% sure but I seem to think that they are an addition to the stick, as they plug into the HOTAS, not another USB port. I know you're not keen on speculation but I don't think we have any definitives here!

I do like the feel of it. One thing is that when you hold the DS4 in your hands, you have your right thumb on the stick, and then your finger on either the four buttons on top of the pad, or on the shoulder trigger buttons. Unless you are Apollo Robbins then I don't think you can use the top four buttons and the shoulder/trigger at the same time. However on the stick you have four axis on the stick, plus yaw and then your thumb has access to two buttons on the top of the stick and the hat switch (eight directions) and then you can access the button on the top side of the stick with your first finger and the trigger with your second finger. I've always preferred using my second finger as a trigger finger. That alone to me suggests you have a lot more 'twitch' options on a stick as opposed to the DS4. The same is true to a certain extent on the throttle.

The reason I got the HOTAS is that I would much prefer to try with the HOTAS from day one and then reject it rather than get used to a DS4 and then try and switch to a HOTAS.
 
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Playing around with mine, I found both pieces to be a little loose even after after I tighten them. Took'em apart and lenghtened the springs one inch. Put thrm back togeather snd now there fine.
 
The reason I got the HOTAS is that I would much prefer to try with the HOTAS from day one and then reject it rather than get used to a DS4 and then try and switch to a HOTAS.

This is exactly my thinking! It's kinda expensive for a "I might like it, I might not" experiment, thus these questions. I suppose if I don't like it, I know plenty of ED players who would buy it used from me.

Are you counting one axis as two, or are there axis I'm unaware of? I can think of pitch, roll, yaw (these three on the stick) and throttle. Am I missing other "analog" controls?
 
This is exactly my thinking! It's kinda expensive for a "I might like it, I might not" experiment, thus these questions. I suppose if I don't like it, I know plenty of ED players who would buy it used from me.

Are you counting one axis as two, or are there axis I'm unaware of? I can think of pitch, roll, yaw (these three on the stick) and throttle. Am I missing other "analog" controls?

Yeah I was not using the correct terminology; I meant pitch and roll as in up/down, left and right. I'm only a sort of half nerd.
 
Does anyone have a link to the manual (PDF) for this HOTAS?

BTW Monkey, you mentioned using DS4 and HOTAS simultaneously (DS4 for things like galmap). Were you being serious - is this truly an option? In that same post you mentioned taping controller to your head, so my confusion is justified ;)
 
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Does anyone have a link to the manual (PDF) for this HOTAS?

BTW Monkey, you mentioned using DS4 and HOTAS simultaneously (DS4 for things like galmap). Were you being serious - is this truly an option? In that same post you mentioned taping controller to your head, so my confusion is justified ;)
I'm hoping this will be the case, so I can use the touch pad for the galmap in the same way I use the mouse with my hotas on pc. The control scheme options have two entries for each binding on pc, one for joystick / hotas and the other for mouse/keyboard, and both are operational at the same time, which is why I'm hopefull this will work.
 
BTW Monkey, you mentioned using DS4 and HOTAS simultaneously (DS4 for things like galmap). Were you being serious - is this truly an option? In that same post you mentioned taping controller to your head, so my confusion is justified ;)

Don't ever take me seriously...

I may be stretching the simultaneous bit, but the DS4 is going to be right... there... next to me, so if there is something a lot easier on it than on the HOTAS, why not just pick it up and use it? The map seems a no brainer, obviously not something in the heat of battle.

Back in my day there was none of this 'head look' malarky. We used the radar to locate our enemies, and we were damn grateful we had a radar.
 
...but the DS4 is going to be right... there... next to me, so if there is something a lot easier on it than on the HOTAS, why not just pick it up and use it?

But will it work? For example, one can't use two DS4s at the same time, except in split-screen multiplayer, as each DS4 is assigned to a different player. What makes you think you can use one DS4 and one HOTUS at the same time?
 
But will it work? For example, one can't use two DS4s at the same time, except in split-screen multiplayer, as each DS4 is assigned to a different player. What makes you think you can use one DS4 and one HOTUS at the same time?

The PS4 can certainly have 2 controllers logged in at the same time – I use a G29 wheel and a DS4 for racing games. I use the wheel and pedals for driving but the DS4 for in game menus etc... So I assume that this will be the same with HOTAS and DS4 – e.g. use the HOTAS for in game flight and the DS4 defaults for Galaxy Map (touchpad), Mission Board (D-pad) etc... when in those screens.

How to setup the HOTAS is my main dilemma at the moment –there are lots of variations in CMDR's settings. Some use the rocker on the throttle for the lateral thrusters and a couple of buttons on the throttle for vertical. Some use the hat switch for thrusters. I think it will just be a case of trial and error until you find the one that suits you. Why are you so curious Old Duck – I didn’t think you had invested in a HOTAS yet?
 
The PS4 can certainly have 2 controllers logged in at the same time – I use a G29 wheel and a DS4 for racing games. I use the wheel and pedals for driving but the DS4 for in game menus etc... So I assume that this will be the same with HOTAS and DS4 – e.g. use the HOTAS for in game flight and the DS4 defaults for Galaxy Map (touchpad), Mission Board (D-pad) etc... when in those screens.

How to setup the HOTAS is my main dilemma at the moment –there are lots of variations in CMDR's settings. Some use the rocker on the throttle for the lateral thrusters and a couple of buttons on the throttle for vertical. Some use the hat switch for thrusters. I think it will just be a case of trial and error until you find the one that suits you. Why are you so curious Old Duck – I didn’t think you had invested in a HOTAS yet?

I haven't, yet.... But.... I'm feeling the temptation. Darn FDev and this wait, wait, wait! And Acid has left me all alone with no distractions. So I look at HOTAS on Amazon.. I must resist the temptation, at least until ED releases and I get some first hand experience with DS4 and your all's accounts regarding this HOTAS on PS4. I WILL resist!

That rocker switch, is it considered two buttons or an axis?

Oh, and cool beans on using a wheel and DS4 at the same time. You're right, if this works, there is at least some chance it will work with HOTAS too. I might be strapping my DS4 to my head just like monkey, LOL.
 
I am thinking the same as you Duck.
You can only really use for Elite and War Thunder (which I got bored of).
Will see how the DS4 fairs first.
 
I did find this teaser on Thrustmaster's facebook page, doesn't show much, but has interesting styling.

EDIT - also the video on this page, has some tantalising glimpses.

The top part looks almost identical to the existing PS4 HOTAS 4.

My bet is it's a HOTAS for the XBox; reasons:

1. XBox One currently has no HOTAS. No. of XBox players with Elite Dangerous is a known entity; account does x% of players buy this gets us y% profit. It's a simple decision.
2. PC players have a TON of options for a HOTAS, who would buy this?
3. PS4 already has a supported HOTAS. Numbers of players who have bought ED on the PS4 is in the early stages and at the point in time when Thrustmaster would have had to make the decision to start on this they wouldn't have known what those numbers at all I suspect.
4. XBox One has not sold as many units as PS4. PS4 has more exclusives than XBox (no flaming here, this is all fact). XBox will look at all the ways they can compete, and offering a HOTAS for space/flight games seems a no brainer way to compete with the PS4.
5. The white styling on the F2 seems to fit in with the white styling of Scorpio; yes I know the XBox one is black, and I don't think this will be a Scorpio exclusive but you can't highlight black with black.

Caveat: No salt here! I will watch this with interest.
 
Caveat: No salt here! I will watch this with interest.

No salt, but deep down inside you must be thinking, "Please don't let this be an ED-specific flight stick for the PS4!" I would be thinking those thoughts had I succumb to the "Buy" button on Amazon yesterday ;)

I'm with Cadarnfel, it would be nice if they made one stick to rule them all. I have to get rid of a perfectly fine flight stick due to incompatibility. I wish not to repeat this with a future investment.
 
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No salt, but deep down inside you must be thinking, "Please don't let this be an ED-specific flight stick for the PS4!" I would be thinking those thoughts had I succumb to the "Buy" button on Amazon yesterday ;)

I'm with Cadarnfel, it would be nice if they made one stick to rule them all. I have to get rid of a perfectly fine flight stick due to incompatibility. I wish not to repeat this with a future investment.

Who know what I am thinking deep down inside ;-) Honestly though, if it is a ED specific flight stick, that would be great. I know myself pretty well and I would be sticking the HOTAS 4 on eBay and buying it probably, I have no desire to quash anything that enhances the experience of ED on any platform. I try my best not to be a 'hater'. Yes, it will smart a little bit and my opinion is somewhat informed by that, I won't lie.

However as an Apple fan I have for a long time admired the work of John Gruber. He always has a very objective slant on rumours and speculation and makes well thought out points and I always try to think about things in the way he does. I hope that, deep down inside, this informed my thinking more than anything else. I see there has been an announcement about the 'scorpio' and it looks like a great console, I suspect more powerful than the PS4 Pro, so there will be plenty salt to come soon enough!
 
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