Powerplay How is Powerplay not open only yet?

[Bard Voronwe]

Great to hear that you're looking at other solutions other than Open only! What other solutions are you interested in besides Open only? Or does EVERY solution involve forced PvP ship combat for PP participation? I truly understand where you are coming from and what you want. I really do. Your passive insults are noted The game is better off with MSCG and always will be. I believe that you believe what you say. You can continue to concede the point with passive insults about dogmatism and miracles vs science, but that just because you have no valid argument. I enjoy the frustrated concessions.

Again, not my problem that you bought a game without knowing what it was designed to be. Your error does not constitute a change for anyone else. Buyers remorse is a tough thing to deal with I'm sure, but you'll just have to find a way. I have "faith" in you

Well, because cooperative play driven by PvP necessity is not a valid argument as emergent gameplay.

Ok mate.

 

[Bashy81]

nope. I like the game the way it is and the way I bought it. I will personally keep supporting that against all opposition to keeping what I paid for and what the game was designed to do. For me, MSCG is the past, present, and future of Elite. Anything that takes from that in it's current form is rejected wholesale. Happy to be a part of the wall preventing what you're suggesting. Will always be here for that! If you ever care to meet on some common ground for changes, I'll be more than happy to discuss and support. Until then, Open only anything is anti-Elite Dangerous!

There is no need for any common ground, youre not invested in the feature sufficiently to participate in it. You have no stake in the discussion, besides wanting Powerplay to be something else that suits you. You already have the BGS tailored to your desire for insulation from the playerbase, and you benefit competitively from that preference.

I truly understand where you are coming from and what you want. I really do. Your passive insults are noted

Carry on the way youre going. As it were. You really dont understand.

Again, not my problem that you bought a game without knowing what it was designed to be. Your error does not constitute a change for anyone else. Buyers remorse is a tough thing to deal with I'm sure, but you'll just have to find a way. I have "faith" in you

The easy way to play the game (without risk of interruption or direct intereference) is the way to play the game competitively because it's easy. There is a large proportion of players who want Powerplay to be a place where that is not the case.
And at the last count they outnumbered the naysayers about 3 to 1, and the devs were in agreement too.

Despite your religious convictions, you are not on the side of the angels here, faithful friend.

 

[Bard Voronwe]

Hey @Bashy81 never forget those guys are dangerous: they even made Sammarco leave Elite Dangerous development! XD

 

[Bigmaec]

Pardon what? Who exactly was outnumbered and what did the devs agree on? Explain that to me in more detail. And with sources, please. Was there perhaps a poll that I missed or were you possibly just dreaming?

But if you are referring to this quote:


Do I really need to explain to you what the letters "CM" mean? Since when is the game developed by community managers who probably have as little idea about game design and networking as you apparently do? For now, and in your favour, I'll assume you mean something else.
Otherwise, I'd call this a pretty bold case of Fake News.

It was a reference to that Sandro pp revamp thread in the old forums,
and it got a lot of support, easily 3v1.

 

[Bard Voronwe]

Well the only way would be to give Open Only Powerplay to the players and see if it's successful.

 

[Bigmaec]

Not according to my perception and there was never a poll about it. You simply carve the truth to suit yourself best. So there you have it, a blatant case of fake news, fresh from the echo chamber. Well played, mate!

Hush, back to your safe space mate

(It really was well approved by lots of people, no idea why you deny this, maybe because it fits your narrative )

 

[Bard Voronwe]

It always fits their narrative. As told before it's a feud to them.

 

[Brrokk]

Not according to my perception and there was never a poll about it. You simply carve the truth to suit yourself best. So there you have it, a blatant case of fake news, fresh from the echo chamber. Well played, mate!

Yes, my recollection is that there were marginally more in favour of OOPP, but many of those admitted that they only favoured it because it was a step on the way to OOgame. I wouldn't call that "support" as I think it really showed FD what they were dealing with.

I repeat that OOanything would destroy instancing. No-one seems to want to face up to this.

 

[Bard Voronwe]

Let's just try and see what problems will be. Then let's fix them. Hey apparently Odyssey broke the game right now. Do we want to revert everything to Horizons because of that?

 

[Bigmaec]

Fair enough. It was a pretty long thread and I didn't feel the slightest desire to count every single post to create some sort of pseudo-poll. I doubt anyone else did, and if they did, it wouldn't have any meaning anyway. Because "the" developers were never involved in this discussion and from the reaction it seemed that Sandro was quite shocked at the devils he summoned. If you don't read too much into his words, it was pretty clear that it was nothing but a non-committal invitation to brainstorming. It's quite telling the ripples it created. Even to this day a popular basis for the desperate and also somewhat silly attempt by some PvP lovers to enforce their interests.

Yes. I'm also pretty sure Sandro got shafted because he dared talk about taking away some safe spaces.

 

[Bard Voronwe]

Oh what subtle irony

But as for Bruce, he's still young and inexperienced. Of course, he can have his opinion just like anyone else (and as such, he has the right to be just as clueless as any of us). But as a CM, maybe he shouldn't go too far out on a limb...

So an employee is young and inexperienced now.

My gosh and you are even serious about that. Try send a résumé to frontier, then.

Hilarious.

 

[SouthernGorilla]

I don't think anyone claimed it made it fun. It just makes it fair. Powers vs powers is what powerplay is. But people hide in solo, makeing it hollow and unfair.

How, exactly, does "hiding" in solo make it hollow and unfair? Powerplay isn't a gladiatorial fight to the death. It's entirely possible, even in open, to play it without interacting with other players. And "unfair" implies that one group somehow gains an advantage over the others by using solo mode. People in open don't use spreadsheets? Making it open only would have zero effect on Powerplay. The motivation behind the idea is transparently obvious... gankers hope it will push more easy targets their way. It isn't about improving anything, it's about wanting to camp out at your home system's entry point and snipe people as they drop in.

 

[SouthernGorilla]

Wow a brand new account with just one message and it's in this thread. Not suspicious at all.

Also, this thread is why I signed up. Paranoid, much?

 

[Bard Voronwe]

Yeah yeah right, we all believe that.

 

[Bard Voronwe]

Go bore your pals

What: annoyed when people let you aknowledge some of the absurd things you write? Like: telling a professional hired by the company of the game you are a customer must be green because he disagrees with you? You are unable to talk about game mechanics and apparently even more. Do you actually work? Or know anything about working? Because my gosh what you said was first class absurdity.

 

[Bard Voronwe]

That's no more ridiculous than assuming that a CM has the same weight when it comes to game design decisions as a developer. Or that he even has to be automatically competent in these things. First of all, he is nothing more than the interface between the community and the developers. And then you turn the logical connections into the opposite (I didn't say that he is automatically incompetent because he is still young, that's what you make out of it) and show me that your way of thinking logically has some deficits. When it comes to absurdity, you are clearly my master.

Ah don't try to change things now.

You said that:

• Sammarco was relocated because open only was in Powerplay proposal
• @Bruce G must be very inexperienced to even talk about Open Only

Dude, really.

There's nothing illogical in imaging that the argument is been discussed, I'll tell you more, I don't believe it's ever been a priority (as Powerplay for example), and with all the issues Odyssey is having right now I do not believe this thing is gonna ever be a priority in the next few months.

So: don't fret, actually what we are talking in here right now has got basically no influence in what the decisions of the dev team will be, as I said before I'm ok in giving meaningful gameplay feedback.

You on the other hand are so sure about what's happening in FDev right now about everything. Again: résumé and you are in, you seem so ready for the job!

 

[Bard Voronwe]

The words "must" and "was" as an undisputed fact were never used by me. I neither said nor thought that in that form. You really have to learn the difference between fact, possibility and opinion and then stop twisting other people's statements into the absurd in order to then throw exactly that at their feet. This is a disgusting style.

Oh well, so you didn't say that. Ok ok, go back and edit your posts, because one could think you told exactly that.

 

[Bard Voronwe]

I don't care what you think by now, it can't be much anyway.

Dude: you are much more hurt than you should. It's just a videogame. Take it easy and have a good life. But for the future: this is what happens when you start making things personal with people that maybe are better than you think they actually are dialectically speaking.

And next time: keep on with "the game is what it is" thing. Stay low, don't even try something different, for what it's worth you've got not much more to say about the argument (as most of the "nothing open only" cult).

 

[Bard Voronwe]

NO @-NO VR- Frillop Freyraum DONO, YAMATE!

 

[Asharyn]

How, exactly, does "hiding" in solo make it hollow and unfair? Powerplay isn't a gladiatorial fight to the death. It's entirely possible, even in open, to play it without interacting with other players. And "unfair" implies that one group somehow gains an advantage over the others by using solo mode. People in open don't use spreadsheets? Making it open only would have zero effect on Powerplay. The motivation behind the idea is transparently obvious... gankers hope it will push more easy targets their way. It isn't about improving anything, it's about wanting to camp out at your home system's entry point and snipe people as they drop in.

I've said many times in this thread how making it open helps powerplay. Go back and read about it.