Ok you totally lost me here. What?
Powerplay How is Powerplay not open only yet?
Nah it was aimed at those people who spitefully obstruct and drown every discussion to better the game just to preserve their precious little safe spaces.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
If all of those discussions included proposals that would actually benefit the game for all players then there'd very likely be little opposition to them. That many discussions take the "make <feature> Open only" as read results in those who would not benefit from the proposal as a whole getting involved. We rather obviously don't all want the same things - and some players want to take existing shared content and restrict access to it to their preferred game mode. Unsurprising that there is push-back from those who don't want to lose access to existing shared content.
The derision from some towards those who dare not to enjoy PvP is clear - it has been for years.
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Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
The post I replied to seemed to assume that players in Solo and Private Groups would be in some way upset by the Powerplay flavour text in each station menu - which, firstly, seems to be a bit of a stretch, and secondly, can currently be affected by players in Solo and Private Groups (subject to the normal Powerplay). Unless Powerplay was Open only, of course.
Ok this is kind of complicated but let's try to bring things back to reason.
You would be ok with Open Only Powerplay if:
- it wouldn't affect BGS in any way (goodbye 15% LYR discount!)
Now: what about personal rewards? Can we have a little bit? You know... to make it somehow interesting for people and try something different.
For example: no more "no bounties" bonus for Kumo? Or you would be ok with that because somebody else could want it and it's not fair for that hypotethical CMDR that probably woudln't pledge anyway?
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
No - for the reason explained earlier, i.e. it's an existing pan-modal game feature shared by all players.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
As long as "Hyperplay" has no effect on players who cannot affect it.
But.... but... it's a shared universe everyone has the right to affect, even hidden in solo and behind a wall of blocks.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
The shared bits that affect all players and all players affect, certainly.
I'd have no problem with a feature being added that only players in Open could affect as long as it had no effect on mode shared game features - as players in modes other than Open would not be able to affect it. One such feature already exists - but it's not part of the main game.
Imagine buying a game with a pan-modal, shared, connected galaxy and then complaining about a pan-modal, shared, connected galaxy.
It's "Rewop Play".
You see? As I mentioned before you just seem to be open about it but it's all a charade, in reality you hate the idea that somebody would enjoy something different with any Open Only game feature, honestly I do not know why and how a functional adult could become so bitter towards total strangers for some silly forum feud to win at all costs.
You are basically saying that people could have it if they honestly had nothing to play for it (like personal rewards). That's asking for its failure without giving it even a chance.
PS I want painite and get a lot of money from that but I do not like mining. So I don't get credits.
Somebody don't like open? They don't do Powerplay.
And yeah, mining is available to everybody and bla bla bla, but still I do not like it and it's optional.
I want a way to make the same money, let's say... without playing at all?
And now you will link old statements. And again, for what?
For the thrill of winning a forum feud. Kind of sad, actually.
PS For your knowledge, I am just "fighting" to have a new game mechanic which would be available for people with my play style. You? You just want to win a forum feud. Again: sad.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Some of those who meet opposition when making proposals that would adversely affect other players do indeed seem to become bitter.
No effect on the BGS, CGs, etc. does not need to equate to no personal rewards.You are basically saying that people could have it if they honestly had nothing to play for it (like personal rewards). That's asking for its failure without giving it even a chance.
If it was actually a new game mechanic then there'd be less opposition - the opposition arises when the "new" feature is actually a PvP-gated retcon of what was a feature shared by all players that would no longer be able to be affected by players in Solo and Private Groups.
You are literally fighting to remove PP from anyone whose playstyle is Solo/PG.It's "Rewop Play".
You see? As I mentioned before you just seem to be open about it but it's all a charade, in reality you hate the idea that somebody would enjoy something different with any Open Only game feature, honestly I do not know why and how a functional adult could become so bitter towards total strangers for some silly forum feud to win at all costs.
You are basically saying that people could have it if they honestly had nothing to play for it (like personal rewards). That's asking for its failure without giving it even a chance.
PS I want painite and get a lot of money from that but I do not like mining. So I don't get credits.
Somebody don't like open? They don't do Powerplay.
And yeah, mining is available to everybody and bla bla bla, but still I do not like it and it's optional.
I want a way to make the same money, let's say... without playing at all?
And now you will link old statements. And again, for what?
For the thrill of winning a forum feud. Kind of sad, actually.
PS For your knowledge, I am just "fighting" to have a new game mechanic which would be available for people with my play style. You? You just want to win a forum feud. Again: sad.
If the majority of people who played PP preferred Open only gameplay, then that's what they would engage in by choice.
If the only way of winning is Solo/PG grindy gameplay, then each side should have proportional numbers of Solo/PG grindy players. The same theory applies to platforms. If I'm supporting my power on PC and I meet opposition, then I'll just log on to my XB account to avoid them. Oh wait, the claim is that each power has proportional numbers on each platform. Then they should have proportional numbers in each instance too. And proportional numbers Solo/PG as well. Perhaps you should recruit more grindy Solo/PG players. That would fix your problems. Oh wait, there is "shame" in that. Can't do that.
Bottom line is that what you're looking for is ship combat to be able to negate non-ship combat PP gameplay. The game was designed and is sold today to allow anyone to avoid PvP combat. That is what the game is, as you have been repeating. Why did you buy a game that "is" this way? Why do you play a game that "is" this way? I have to assume that you never really researched the game in any capacity before you bought it. But mode choice and a shared, connected galaxy across all modes is THE fundamental structure that the game was built on and continues to sell on. PP should never be Open only. That's like complaining about PvP in PUBG. Or complaining about multimode galaxy interaction in Elite Dangerous.
Tell me with a straight face you enjoy powerplay in solo for it's amazing gameplay loop.
I dare you.
It is the way it used to be until now. Who knows what the future will bring. And no, for the last time: if you ask for Open Only you don't ask for PvP only. They are different things.
Don't think the guy even plays Powerplay. And if he does, he will never tell you what Power he plays for. We all know that being accused of Solo grinding is shameful between the Powerplay communities. But that's what human beings are: give them a way to win easily and they will go for it without admitting. Same old same old.
I personally don't engage in PP from Solo or PG solely because my squadron's charter does not allow it. Since I choose to be in that squadron, I will follow their charter. But that doesn't mead that others who are not on the forums don't enjoy solo/PG PP. And since we all bought a game with a multimode, shared, and connected galaxy, I wouldn't support a change to that fundamental game promise.
Why would anyone ever buy a game that was designed to be a multimode, shared, connected galaxy if they didn't want a multimode, shared, connected galaxy? It's crazy levels of insane to me how so many people didn't even read the game mechanics before they bought it. Or did any real research into the game modes that they were interested in.
There are great changes to be made with PP and BGS issues outside of mode specific gating that has a lot of common ground. Discussions about how those "could be" is much more enjoyable.
btw, I have enjoyed (in the past) engaging in PP in Solo for it's amazing gameplay loop.
Why would anyone ever buy a game that was designed to be a multimode, shared, connected galaxy if they didn't want a multimode, shared, connected galaxy? It's crazy levels of insane to me how so many people didn't even read the game mechanics before they bought it. Or did any real research into the game modes that they were interested in.
There are great changes to be made with PP and BGS issues outside of mode specific gating that has a lot of common ground. Discussions about how those "could be" is much more enjoyable.
btw, I have enjoyed (in the past) engaging in PP in Solo for it's amazing gameplay loop.
I know that you believe this to be an insult, but rest assured that I'm in no way insulted. Why would you care who I'm currently pledged to anyway? It has no bearing on anything. I literally cannot feel shame about a video game. That would be a sad day for anyone.....It is the way it used to be until now. Who knows what the future will bring. And no, for the last time: if you ask for Open Only you don't ask for PvP only. They are different things.
Don't think the guy even plays Powerplay. And if he does, he will never tell you what Power he plays for. We all know that being accused of Solo grinding is shameful between the Powerplay communities. But that's what human beings are: give them a way to win easily and they will go for it without admitting. Same old same old.
