How to stop Combat Logging and make the game more FUN for all in open play.

Well at least this is better than that other thread .-.

But the insurance is already very low, if we lower it even further it makes death even more meaningless than the value it currently has.

Not to mention it will encourage station walling Sidewinder activities even more except people now won't care if they're using a cheap Sidewinder or an expensive Cutter.
I don't think it's the rebuy cost.

I think it's the potential loss of engineer mats and bounties earned now. Lots of people are carrying around mats that it took them days to farm mission boards to get. Bounties they earned in random fights and in CZs they haven't bothered to redeem but want to.

Right now, dying means losing all of those mats and all of those bounties and bonds. It's not surprising that people are averse to sacrificing those things for the fun of another CMDR who has neither mats nor bonds of his own to lose should he die in the fight.
 

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What he's trying to say is the target has less reason to give in to any demands if insurance is cheaper. May as well run or try and self destruct.

Well that I hadn't thought about. At least you put it bluntly. Thanks.
 
No, I don't see it. What is my flaw?

Okay, first you asked that what people lose by others combat logging.

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To them I ask, what do you lose, from the other not losing?

I answered:

For a pirate, time and cargo are lost .-.

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Then add in some pre-log trash talk, throw out some patience and courtesy, too.

Why do you think SDC formed out of The Code .-.?

Then you tell me:

How? If you get cargo, you get paid. If you don't, target goes boom. What they pay in rebuy has no impact on your earnings.

You don't get paid your target's rebuy.

If I get cargo I get paid, yes.

If I don't, I don't blow up the ship, so I don't know what made you think that the target goes boom (some people pirate differently but I try to let my victim live if they don't have cargo and try to extract cargo and leave if they do).

All of these branches of possibilities base themselves on the fact that the prey doesn't combat log/menu log.

And I have pointed out that lowering rebuys will make people do more silly things such as station ramming/harassing with a cheap ship.

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What he's trying to say is the target has less reason to give in to any demands if insurance is cheaper. May as well run or try and self destruct.

This, as well.
 

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Okay, first you asked that what people lose by others combat logging.



I answered:



Then you tell me:



If I get cargo I get paid, yes.

If I don't, I don't blow up the ship, so I don't know what made you think that the target goes boom (some people pirate differently but I try to let my victim live if they don't have cargo and try to extract cargo and leave if they do).

All of these branches of possibilities base themselves on the fact that the prey doesn't combat log/menu log.

And I have pointed out that lowering rebuys will make people do more silly things such as station ramming/harassing with a cheap ship.

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This, as well.

I'm not in the mood for an argument. Consider me out of this thread.
 
Let's say I'm a nice carebear trader.

What do I gain by trading in open ? At best, nada.
What do I lose by trading in open ? At worst, money.

* shrug * Switches to solo.

Why on Earth should I stay in open except to be nice with the very guy who wants to steal my stuff ? Seriously ?

/thread
 
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I'm a nice carebear trader.

What do I gain by trading in open ? At best, nada.
What do I lose by trading in open ? At worst, money.

* shrug * Switch to solo.

Why on Earth should I stay in open except to be nice with the very guy who wants to steal my stuff ? Seriously ?

/thread

You act as if negativity the only possible outcome of playing in Open; it isn't. Of course you are are entitled to your opinion, but I comment here because of your "/ thread"
 
I'm a nice carebear trader.

What do I gain by trading in open ? At best, nada.
What do I lose by trading in open ? At worst, money.

* shrug * Switch to solo.

Why on Earth should I stay in open except to be nice with the very guy who wants to steal my stuff ? Seriously ?

/thread

Were those genuine questions?

What do you gain? A potential for enjoyable social interaction.

Why on Earth should you etc...? As above, because only a small percentage of players are ats.

I don't mind what you do but I'm staying in Open.

Anyway, this thread isn't about Solo vs Open, it's about combat logging out of Open - for whatever that's worth. Players who choose to operate in an environment where they might get attacked but log out as soon as they are will always be a source of confusion, I suspect.
 
Let's say I'm a nice carebear trader.

What do I gain by trading in open ? At best, nada.
What do I lose by trading in open ? At worst, money.

* shrug * Switches to solo.

Why on Earth should I stay in open except to be nice with the very guy who wants to steal my stuff ? Seriously ?

/thread


Calling someone a Carebear traders is like call all PVP pirates psychopathic morons . A good portion of them are not. A good portion of pirates are just RPing as well as they can in a broken system.

Solo is not the answer. It was never the answer. Its just a choice. Open means PVP may happen. Its not guaranteed and it most defiantly is not required. Open means that you may also find other players to interact with. You have the very same choice of going into group play and setting up scenarios for piracy with your friends. It doesnt mean you are required to do so.

So requiring other people to play in solo because you said so is hypocritical. Being a hypocrite doesnt mean you are right. It just means you are not smart enough to see the flaws in your arguments.
 
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Plenty of players combat log in the beta, cheaper rebuys and the lack of consequences does nothing for the fact that the vast majority of the community cannot deal with losing.
 
Calling someone a Carebear traders is like call all PVP pirates psychopathic morons . A good portion of them are not. A good portion of pirates are just RPing as well as they can in a broken system.

Solo is not the answer. It was never the answer. Its just a choice. Open means PVP may happen. Its not guaranteed and it most defiantly is not required. Open means that you may also find other players to interact with. You have the very same choice of going into group play and setting up scenarios for piracy with your friends. It doesnt mean you are required to.

We don't always see eye to eye but when we do, we really do.
 
Players who choose to operate in an environment where they might get attacked but log out as soon as they are

Agreed, this is my main point of contention and confusion with people who Clog. Thank you for putting it so simply and eloquently, my brain was a bit asleep earlier so I was struggling to find the right words. +1 :)
 
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What do you gain? A potential for enjoyable social interaction.

Of course ! I'm so blind, thanks for showing me the light : every solo player will switch to open now. Poor lads, they didn't realize they just had to have fun while being ganked for ZERO profit.

Pretty sure they suddenly will after reading your post though ;)
 
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You act as if negativity the only possible outcome of playing in Open; it isn't. Of course you are are entitled to your opinion, but I comment here because of your "/ thread"

You are right ! For the sake of saving multiplayer interactions let's go back to good ol' receipes then : the PVP flag on/off.
Don't like it ? Then it will continue to go on : online PVEers will non consensualy evade non consensual PVPers ;) ... i see a trend here or maybe we are going for to another let's Mobius thread ...
 
Of course ! I'm so blind, thanks for showing me the light : every solo player will switch to open now. Poor lads, they didn't realize they just had to have fun while being ganked for ZERO profit.

Pretty sure they suddenly will after reading your post though ;)

Doesn't it get old just playing alone? Personally, I prefer to have company:)
 
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Of course ! I'm so blind, thanks for showing me the light : every solo player will switch to open now. Poor lads, they didn't realize they just had to have fun while being ganked for ZERO profit.

Pretty sure they suddenly will after reading your post though ;)

Pretty extreme reaction but I'll play ball for another comment at least:

To be honest I've had some great interactions in open. Random wings in CZ/Res chatting and inviting me to join for some combat fun. Chatting to people at stations about where to get stuff for community goals and which players to avoid. Meeting people on the forums or from places I've seen them before like livestreams and stuff (said hi to random hutton truckers, fuel rats and others that happened to be passing by) etc.

Open really isn't as bad as people make out. I have no sympathy for people that combat log but I wouldn't under any circumstances label open as 100% chance of being ganked. It's closer to 1% if you avoid CG systems.


Edit: Just realised we are all already off topic as we are no longer discussing insurance. Guess thats my cue to bow out. Bye folks!
 
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Of course ! I'm so blind, thanks for showing me the light : every solo player will switch to open now. Poor lads, they didn't realize they just had to have fun while being ganked for ZERO profit.

Pretty sure they suddenly will after reading your post though ;)

Did you skip the all-important six words "I don't mind what you do?" I play PvE. I own one Sidey and one Eagle. If I get ganked I will be angry but I will accept it as a result of my choice to play in Open.

Again, this thread is not about you or about Solo. Stop trying to make it be so.
 
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