The way I see it I if you make the stolen ship say like a lootbox per say each componet worth some thing or of use for upgrading this will really make being a pirate a thing in game a way for you to advace as an outlaw for biden to enter a station. If you start out a life of crime, say after three secussful interdiction you become lawless and progress all the way up to pirate lord with patch and all but it goes toward the commanders name not his ship. So say you grind your way to a corvette before turning to a life of crime you then become a turncoat and stripped of your rank you can keep your corvette as long as you are not killed in it the Fed Navy would never give a vette to a pirate. thats all I got please add your thoughts to this
how will space legs handle deaths
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How about respawn at the nearest respawn station, whatever that means - the same thing that can manage holome also does some sort of brain uploady scan thing which can download you in to a newly printed body but can't for some reason be used to do too much telepresency multi-person stuff. Perhaps that's a legal (in game) thing as much as anything.
You could then have an optional ship module that allows local respawn, perhaps with some delay and/or some limit to the availability of respawns.
In the first instance you get back to a station and end up having to pay a rebuy to get your ship (and/or we have a new ship recovery mission thing going on).
In the second instance this gives a way for explorers to recover to a ship after a planet accident (making it basically essentialy) and a limited stock and/or cool down gives a chance for boarders to take control in combat situations (assuming we have these) but perhaps still give you a bit of a chance to continue defence longer than otherwise.
A variation on the ship module would be the idea that every ships comes with a base capability to do this, something you can perhaps extend with an optional module. SRV loss and recovery to a ship is already rather like this...*
Assuming we get bases, a respawn room would presumably become an optional, important, base module.
* He says having lost his first SRV recently.
FPS gameplay is definitely something I want! I do see though, that lots of people dont want it, so I hope it will be a totally optional add, like passenger quests or something.
It would be awesome if there was an infantry-merc office for those missions and if you dont want to buy the expansion, you don't have to, like horizons.
Just walking around in ships and stations a-la the failed eve-online thing would be pointless, unless you got better prices at an in-station kiosk or something, but that's kind of a lame mechanic. I would like to hire pilots in the cantina though.
Ship stealing I would hope (and expect) not.
BONUS IDEA: you have to wash your ship with a sponge and soapy bucket in first-mode. It would take 2 hours and I could start a ship-wash where that's all I do. Devs take heed!
It would be awesome if there was an infantry-merc office for those missions and if you dont want to buy the expansion, you don't have to, like horizons.
Just walking around in ships and stations a-la the failed eve-online thing would be pointless, unless you got better prices at an in-station kiosk or something, but that's kind of a lame mechanic. I would like to hire pilots in the cantina though.
Ship stealing I would hope (and expect) not.
BONUS IDEA: you have to wash your ship with a sponge and soapy bucket in first-mode. It would take 2 hours and I could start a ship-wash where that's all I do. Devs take heed!
I hear what you're saying, but to me, Elite is not even close to an MMO. It's a masgup of ill thought out ideas, badly put together, by an inexperienced game house.
You're missing the point mate. True, the HazRez was the next step up from the 'policed' Res sites. Then Horizons came along, and all ships game wide suddenly had the ability to be engineered. Player ships could only be engineered 'if' the player bought Horizons. If they didn't, they had to face off against engineered ships.
In a res site, that's no great problem because most players using a res site, are tailcoating the police who engage the NPCs. In a HazRez, you're on your ownios. So a non-engineered ship going up against engineered ships is just not at the races.
This is just another example, of inexperienced people trying to develop an MMO and failing.
As for the proper MMOs, I played Everquest for 10 or so year, and raided in the top 2 guilds server wide. That was a real MMO and some of the best years of my gaming life. I'm playing Elder Scrolls Online now when not in NMS or SC and again, that [eso] is a real MMO. I have yet to see a crash because of too many peopleSo let's call this one, horses for courses?
No, not really. There was a short time after 2.1 launched where NPC ships had modifications, a bug resulted in the (in)famous Skynet AI and all mods have been taken away from NPCs. Later they added some minor mods, but nothing powerful und just defensive stuff. Some time during 3.3 Deadly and Elite NPCs got access to more modifications.You're missing the point mate. True, the HazRez was the next step up from the 'policed' Res sites. Then Horizons came along, and all ships game wide suddenly had the ability to be engineered. Player ships could only be engineered 'if' the player bought Horizons. If they didn't, they had to face off against engineered ships.
In a res site, that's no great problem because most players using a res site, are tailcoating the police who engage the NPCs. In a HazRez, you're on your ownios. So a non-engineered ship going up against engineered ships is just not at the races.
This is just another example, of inexperienced people trying to develop an MMO and failing.
As for the proper MMOs, I played Everquest for 10 or so year, and raided in the top 2 guilds server wide. That was a real MMO and some of the best years of my gaming life. I'm playing Elder Scrolls Online now when not in NMS or SC and again, that [eso] is a real MMO. I have yet to see a crash because of too many peopleSo let's call this one, horses for courses?
Nothing of that has anything to do with how a proper MMO (whatever that is) should look like.
As long as ship theft is handled by insurance it would be no different from destroying a ship. The only change is that the offender finally gets rewarded for it.
Actually.... In a real MMO and with experienced devs, the Horizons release would have been a dlc. So far so good. Any combat facing additions would be added to new zones/areas and existing zones/areas left as is. In Elite's case, the better option would have been to leave HazRez as is and add a new type CombatRez or some such, where the engineered ships would appear, but not in the HazRez. Additionally, the Engineered ships would appear in advanced missions etc.
As it is, Fdev opted to cheaply add engineering to all NPC ships leaving players without Horizons at a distinct disadvantage [combat wise].
I don't think your game development experience comes anywhere close to mine, so I suggest we part it there. (for clarification, I was developing MUDs including the net code, long before the Internet was a common thing. Additionally, I spent years developing FlightSim addons. Added to all that I've been playing online games since '79 when the best we had was FidoNet and BBSs)
Elite while being a graphical marvel. Beyond [sic] that, it's let down by being nothing more than it's parentage. A space trader with combat. Having billions of systems/stars that all basically look the same is nothing to write home about. The multiplayer is a mess, the BGS is a bust and Thargoids only attack stations when the servers are offline. Some MMO...
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Actually the way your so called real MMOs are doing is cheap because adding additional content is always easier than integrating it into existing content.
Real MMOs are cheap anyway because they never spend a cent on design and always just copy paste everything from the most successful game in their genre.
My real name is Peter Molyneux, you have no idea who you are talking to!
In your opinion, which isn't worth more than mine. So everything is good.
There's a certain irony in necromancing a thread about death Not as if we don't already have this convo going on in another thread....
Not as if we don't already have this convo going on in another thread....
Ouch. Well that's a bit harsh. To be fair to ED, such criticism needs a relative basis of comparison to a contemporary game to put it in perspective. The obvious is ED vs say SC from a developmental perspective:
Graphics/Visuals to date:
SC HD graphics are better v. ED (and this feature is probably the best thing SC has going for it to date). SC has space legs, EVA, immersive atmospheric planetary landings, immersive space station interiors, interactive 3D NPCs (with limited AI), a high degree of personal avatar and ship customization. In contrast, ED has poorer graphics, but a superior, realistic/stable Newtonian physics flight model vs. SC buggy pre alpha demo.
Gameplay/Game mechanics:
For all its faults and failings, ED is a viable sandbox with a working/stable flight model, has closed game play loops, has a somewhat weak but well defined lore/player RPG opportunities for emergent game play (for both PvP and PvE) by means of PP and Thargoid game elements, has ability to customize engineered ships, land able planets on which you can travel via land vehicles, a viable economy with working BGS/new currency, will soon have working/stable fleet carriers, n00b friendly in game tutorial/online store, and new crafting element features the likes of base building etc. Space legs are a rumored possibility with 2020 update. In contrast, SC has all these except they're horrifically and poorly executed.
Development schedule to date:
IMO this has become the ultimate discriminator. ED was released on time and schedule. Despite all it's apparent technical failings and shortcomings, ED has since released DLC on time and schedule as promised to date.
For SC OTOH, this should put things in glaring perspective:
- May 25, 1961 - President Kennedy declares his intent to get to the Moon in a decade July 20, 1969
- Presidents Nixon/Johnson complete Kennedy's dream getting to the moon in just 8 years, 1 month and 25 days
- Oct 19, 2011 - CIG launches Kickstarter for SC
- Yet some 7 years, 10 months, 25 days to date as of Sept 9, 2019, something tells me CI isn't launching the polished SQ42 beta by December 2020.
Somehow i think the sc devs are just going to take their money and run
You have it all backwards.
Think about it: we have SLFs that have an android that you control piloting them. With combat legs, the same thing happens, its you jacking into a combat body and roving about, Arnie style. For other non dangerous things (trading, bowel movements etc) its 'you'. It might be that its a mix of menus and legs for civ stuff.
So Space Feet = Being John Malcovich in space.
Think about it: we have SLFs that have an android that you control piloting them. With combat legs, the same thing happens, its you jacking into a combat body and roving about, Arnie style. For other non dangerous things (trading, bowel movements etc) its 'you'. It might be that its a mix of menus and legs for civ stuff.
So Space Feet = Being John Malcovich in space.
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Bruh'... FPS doesn't have to be gory.
Take Halo as an example. A shooter with success that other shooters can only dream of.
And there's basically no gore other than a little splatter.
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New control specs: Xbox controller required for FPS elements.
If we do get legs, I have a Razer Sabertooth at the ready.