And subsequently get destroyed by me!!
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Does it still count as organic when the response has used external tools to organise their activity? 
The data is not external, think of it as a simple automation, when I see an outlaw in space, instead of me going to the discord and typing 'I just saw this guy, here!', the Edmc addon automatically posts it to the bots database and the bot does the post for me. At the same time, it also records whether the other player was wanted at the time or not, and that affects their karma for the background checker. Therefore we richen our data the more people are using the specific Edmc addon (it's called EDR by the way - ED Recon, anyone can install it and richen the data, but discord bot and advanced access is by approval only, I.e. You need to be an established lawful squadron with a tangible business need for the data and interface)Does it still count as organic when the response has used external tools to organise their activity?
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EDMC is not an in-game tool, though. I use it, I encourage others to use it, I encourage everyone to use third party tools and external applications to enrich their gameplay. But if someone wants to be an "in game tools" purist how is the line draw for activity they engage in which is facilitated either primarily or by proxy through external tools?
As I said, the only thing that's external is the automation of posting a sighting. If people choose not to use discord they are missing out on personal reports as well as automated ones, I see no actual difference there. If I posted my sighting manually to the squadron chat, it's exactly the same thing.
The actual technical difference is the fact that commanders not in my squadron and in fact not even known to me, add to the data that is available to me.
The issue that plagues PvP in this game is the absolute lack of any current purpose whatsoever. There is no structured gameplay for it, no objectives, nothing. Just random dogfights for the sake of it. The game world for the most part doesn't currently care one iota about any player actions. No wonder it's boring.
There would need to be structured gameplay for it to have purpose, some kind of objective based competitive gameplay to give PvP factions some kind of meaning, else we end up where we are, where PvPers for the most part just randomly annoy other people, and PvErs mostly avoid them using whatever tools at their disposal because the PvPers don't add anything to their experience other than being a random annoyance.
The typical PvP experiences a non PVPer observes are things like station ramming, some guy at the Jameson Crash Site doing the logoffski manouver to suddenly pop into existence and pop SRVs (I witnessed that just the other day), prowling cool places like guardian ruins, crystalline sites or engineer bases and overall random seal clubbing. How after all these years and in the face of such kind of "gameplay" there are still people wondering why some players use blocking and other means to make this kind of gameplay disappear from their games?
While I do not resort to such methods (at least until now), and if someone manages to destroy my ship I don't lose any sleep over it, but honestly I find station ramming and inter-dimensional SRV popping things that make the game feel stupid, not better, and while I do like seeing other people in the game, in the face of what PvP actually brings to the my game in its current state, I wouldn't hesitate to use a PvE mode if it existed.
Another thing that would be nice was if CQC (or Arena whatever) was retrofitted to allow participating with the user's main game ships, and allowed the creation of user made tournaments, creation of teams, leaderboards, etc, so that PvPes could compete with each other without having to use external tools and care about police showing up etc.
There would need to be structured gameplay for it to have purpose, some kind of objective based competitive gameplay to give PvP factions some kind of meaning, else we end up where we are, where PvPers for the most part just randomly annoy other people, and PvErs mostly avoid them using whatever tools at their disposal because the PvPers don't add anything to their experience other than being a random annoyance.
The typical PvP experiences a non PVPer observes are things like station ramming, some guy at the Jameson Crash Site doing the logoffski manouver to suddenly pop into existence and pop SRVs (I witnessed that just the other day), prowling cool places like guardian ruins, crystalline sites or engineer bases and overall random seal clubbing. How after all these years and in the face of such kind of "gameplay" there are still people wondering why some players use blocking and other means to make this kind of gameplay disappear from their games?
While I do not resort to such methods (at least until now), and if someone manages to destroy my ship I don't lose any sleep over it, but honestly I find station ramming and inter-dimensional SRV popping things that make the game feel stupid, not better, and while I do like seeing other people in the game, in the face of what PvP actually brings to the my game in its current state, I wouldn't hesitate to use a PvE mode if it existed.
Another thing that would be nice was if CQC (or Arena whatever) was retrofitted to allow participating with the user's main game ships, and allowed the creation of user made tournaments, creation of teams, leaderboards, etc, so that PvPes could compete with each other without having to use external tools and care about police showing up etc.
Totally agree (with all of your post). I had a hard enough time dropping in on a low wake on the other side of the system before it disappeared and / or the skirmish was over, so I see no little point in getting notifications in my phone telling me about some skirmish happening half-way across the Bubble. That's why I'd much rather see more community goals based around CZs, because the Combat Zone is the perfect place to find purposeful, meaningful, rule-based combat (hence the name).
As for Discord, the answer is still no. Actually, it's a bigger NO than before. Talking down to people and borderline insulting them is not a very good sales tactic.
There used to be combat CGs. Dunno what happened to them. I took part in one celebratory one before the power creep would hit the gameplay with its fullest might. Not that I'd play such CG's anymore cos I'd have to do stupid hamsterwheeling to have any fun there, but it'd be at least somewhat organised PvP in a meeting place with some traffic.
Yes, I'm such a purist that I'm going to put all you Discord users on my block list so you can't contaminate my gameplay.
Don't be silly.
Ah well, never mind, your loss not ours, you can take a horse to water as they say... But don't tell us there's no information when the simple fact is you don't want to use the distribution medium that's required to access it. Have a good one mate, tell you what, even though I'm a good guy, feel free to attack me if you see me, I won't be wanted but I never run crimes on, so no problem. At least that will take the guesswork out of it for you. o7.
I accepted combat in Elite, even with other players, but I'm not concentrating my gameplay around that.
When it happens, it can be exciting bonus and distraction to whatever you're doing.
When I got bored with hauling grain, I did some patrolling against pirates in Diso during current CG. There was some waiting, some fighting, some chatting with other players - I had some fun. When it became boring, I returned to hauling. I wouldn't build my "career" around that, for sure.
When I want some instant action I turn CQC on. (and then wait at the lobby, because noone is playing)
When it happens, it can be exciting bonus and distraction to whatever you're doing.
When I got bored with hauling grain, I did some patrolling against pirates in Diso during current CG. There was some waiting, some fighting, some chatting with other players - I had some fun. When it became boring, I returned to hauling. I wouldn't build my "career" around that, for sure.
When I want some instant action I turn CQC on. (and then wait at the lobby, because noone is playing
)I usually roleplay the "good guy" (and when I do grief someone, which is rare, I never kill them). This means I only fire on wanted or enemy ships. Like I said above, I want any PvP I partake in to be purposeful within the context of the game, which it sounds like is your MO as well (protecting players from pirates and the like). Now if we end up on opposite sides of a combat zone, then I will happily shoot at you.
I will also happily die, seeing that most of my PvP this week has been in a shieldless Hauler
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The CG systems this week do seem rather empty....I've been mooching around up there looking for HGEs and hardly seen a soul...and the people I have bumped into are traders (which I have found odd as I thought it would be teaming with PvP FDLs)
If you want PvP then there are a few options available, some of which have been said before
1. Go to Shin at peek hours...there will be plenty of PvPers very willing to pull you from SC
2. Go to Deciat at peek hours...this is common hunting ground for PvP people who will be very willing to pull you from SC and attack you in a wing of 4.
3. Look out for Wars...there was a war recently in Gliese...this was 7 days of PvP laugh riot. It was intense and very, very fun.
4. Join a PvP Squadron. They have friendly solo and wing PvP fights on set days, or whenever you want if you just ask a squad member.
Also...like other have said, there are always Discord channels you could join. I don't really understand where you are coming from regarding discord tbh...but each to their own I suppose.
I'm months away from ShinDez (I just started a new account on PC, and I don't want to "exploit" my way to Elite rank).
As for Discord vs. Squadrons, my preference for using the in-game Squadron tool over an external tool like Discord is mine alone, this isn't a "Discord is evil" thread, so everyone using it stop acting like I just insulted your grandmother, LOL. I have my reasons and that's all need be said. Now as for a PvP-specific squadron, I'm not looking for PvP ONLY (or even focused) gameplay. I'm still mostly a PvE lone wolf. That said, I do enjoy providing escort to traders, and I would love the flexibility of logging in at some arbitrary time and heading to a PvP CZ and fighting for a cause.
Speaking of PvP CZ, my dream version of ED would be a Bubble where the Federation and Empire were at war, with specific systems or assets being fought over each week. Think Cyrodiil of ESO, but in space. I'm sure the most dedicated PvP players would still use external tools like Discord (I have no problem with this), but like ESO, more casual PvP players like myself could also easily join and make a contribution. Frontier could actually do this with weekly CZ CGs, if they wanted to. Is there a reason they don't? Do CMDRs not enjoy this kind of PvP?
Yeh I know you're not saying it's evil or anything, but I can't tell you how frustrating it is to hear someone describe themselves in terms that make them perfect for the squadron, but not interested in joining the discord (a requirement for membership unfortunately). Seriously you are exactly the kind of player that makes up our core, yes, we have hardcore pvpers (only 7 or so out of 65!) and we are proud of our reputation in that respect, but the vast majority of the squadron just plods on, doing their own thing, flying the flag and participating when they want to, while having a laugh on the discord. GARD does not require even one minute of participation in squadron goals to be a member, the ONLY thing we require is to be cool and respectful to all you meet in game. Goals and stuff are posted in an announcement channel that you are welcome to ignore.
We have another bgs war coming in the next couple of days (the war woka refers to in Gliese was us again, it was a cracker), just waiting for the new one to kick off, and there will be pvp in the CZs again (we assume because the last time we won this war (this is round 2) there was).
No reason why you couldn't chat in the Squad channel. But you'd need to join a squad. How about joining hutton truckers? They would be very happy for escorts and do participate in CZs, CGs and other events. Most of the events though are organised either of Facebook or Discord.
I've always said that ED needs for Fed vs Imp war...yes, yes, I know system factions have wars and some are Feds and some are Imp...but it's not the same. Would be great to have a full on Fed vs Imp war.
You don't have to exploit anything...just go do a few hours of void opal mining as that gets you Elite in Trading and allows you access to Shin...deciat however you can go to anytime you want....just be prepared to be indicted by full on PvP wings
During my usual summer EDPause-a-thon, I decided upon return that I'd get more "friendly" with other CMDRs upon my return. So the CG was the best place to first begin.
Having done much the same as you in a Diso-based, shielded, railgunned sidewinder, Old Duck, I'm not sure it really is PvP Even with my weapons, I was either ignored or destroyed in seconds.
More like PvPizza?
o7
PS My rebuy was just a tad under 50K. That's 32 Sidewinders for one Void Opal. Best value NaCl on the market
Having done much the same as you in a Diso-based, shielded, railgunned sidewinder, Old Duck, I'm not sure it really is PvP
Even with my weapons, I was either ignored or destroyed in seconds.I will also happily die, seeing that most of my PvP this week has been in a shieldless Hauler
More like PvPizza?
o7
PS My rebuy was just a tad under 50K. That's 32 Sidewinders for one Void Opal. Best value NaCl on the market
If you just swapped that sidey for a viper, you'd be a lot more effective and the rebuy isn't much higher.During my usual summer EDPause-a-thon, I decided upon return that I'd get more "friendly" with other CMDRs upon my return. So the CG was the best place to first begin.
Having done much the same as you in a Diso-based, shielded, railgunned sidewinder, Old Duck, I'm not sure it really is PvP
More like PvPizza?
o7
PS My rebuy was just a tad under 50K. That's 32 Sidewinders for one Void Opal. Best value NaCl on the market
Happy to help if you need any pointers. Are you in an enforcer squadron? Wanna be?