I don't know what to tell you other than that your concerns are literalyl based on nothing and I know the man and he doesn't think outlaws are all bad people in real life (where on earth did that come from? lol). You know how I know that? Cos he isn't 12. Gimme a break man. We know who the toxic bunch are. You've been the victim of some propaganda there buddy, I can think of nobody the data is safer with (except myself), he's a proper upstanding player and working to make the game better. I can't prove any of this, nor am I likel to find a way int he future, just remember that you can review the code any time you want, how can there possibly be anythig fishy about it? FD approves what data goes into the player journal.
I just stated a simple fact, I know of bots that are scraping friends lists, and all kinds of other stuff that has nothing to do with the game. EDR just reads the game journal and processes it cleverly.
I'm get that from dm's directly from him and one of his buddies, a CMDR who shall remain nameless but is a moderator here. A number of dm's making their position and attitude concerning "bad guys" very clear. I'd like to think you have a healthy outlook on this game (and life in general) but these guys don't.
I must admit, I'm finding most purple hair PvPers to be quite nice people on PC, a very difference experience than what I had on PS4. I had a lovely chat with wanted level 10 notoriety Conda the other day after my interdiction.
Now all PvPers in this forum are nuts, regardless what side you are on
(just kidding, kinda)
I am aware of some of these incidents, but possibly not all. I'm sorry that there are some people like that who call thmselves lawful, but I think a lot of past stuff is also dredged back up continually when people have changed, and so has the game and climate. Thanks for the props though man, honestly, I appreciate it.
p.s. I love the subtle change to the avatar, very apt!
I will say that I think it's absolutely pathetic that it's come down to a third party individual to enable some kind of "bounty hunting" feature in this game, as opposed to the dev's embracing the concept themselves and providing ingame tools. Imagine how fun ED could be with even the hint of a smidgen of support from the dev's?I am aware of some of these incidents, but possibly not all. I'm sorry that there are some people like that who call thmselves lawful, but I think a lot of past stuff is also dredged back up continually when people have changed, and so has the game and climate. Thanks for the props though man, honestly, I appreciate it.
p.s. I love the subtle change to the avatar, very apt!
Edit: aaaaaand we've been moved.
We're discussing concerns about EDR and not those other tools. Allegedly being worse than EDR doesn't satisfy concerns about EDR.
If there are any concerns about EDR, that I or arguendo haven't addressed already or require clarification, please, let's get it out in the open, on record, once and for all. I'm not looking for an argument, just want to help you guys feel better about it, if I thought you lot were using dodgy tools to get an advantage, it would be something that bothered me, I don't want you to think that I or anyone I would associate with is doing such stuff, so please, tell me what the problem is, I'm sure I can help, and if I can't, then I'll ask lekeno in a non subjective way.
Can we just get an AMA type thread with LeKeno going?
Can't we just talk about @jasonbarron 's purple hair and why you don't have purple hair yet?
How is inara doing it without an app? Also people have alts for genuine reasons, some being the following:
- Not wanting to play being disturbed by people on your friends list, where you cant 'appear offline'
- Wanting to experience the game from a new perspective or different type of squadron
- Wanting to engage in random PvP without all the squadron drama attached
- If the player has been a victim of doxxing or bullying and wants to play without attracting negative communications
I'm not witch-hunting, I never even mentioned his name... I'm trying to stop players using potentially dodgy software that has access to god knows what on their systems.
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Not a dog in this fight but just have to mention you can't get more AMA than this: https://github.com/lekeno/edr/tree/master/edr
I try to avoid Messenger and FB in general if I can. Now that's some shady activity right there what FB is doing.
But Discord is like ye olde IRC, or rather it is like Slack, which is IRC, plus easy sharing of images and other files, plus embedded voice chat should you need it (I don't).
I try to avoid Messenger and FB in general if I can. Now that's some shady activity right there what FB is doing.
But Discord is like ye olde IRC, or rather it is like Slack, which is IRC, plus easy sharing of images and other files, plus embedded voice chat should you need it (I don't).
Just wanted to pitch in to say I love your new hair.
I think that would be reasonable if a genuine concern were raised that isn't covered by documentation or a basic understanding of how these things work. But it's not up to me. He might just tell me not to involve him in this debate, which would also be fair enough, he's not required to defend himself. Personally, I'm not defending nor attacking it, just describing it in the terms that I see it, and I understand it pretty well, some of its fundamentals are also fundamentals of my day job (I manage applications). If I thought there was something iffy about it, I would drop it like a diseased onionhead. If I carry on this debate without lekeno, it's because I also want to hear about any legitimate concerns that I personally may not have considered, I don't preclude that possibility, but all of my own questions are answered, so ask me a question I don't know the answer to, that I'm likely to consider in any way dodgy, and I'll thank you for it.
I give you my personal guarantee that it's not dodgy, and if it is, I'll be right behind you in a flash. o7
I'm sure the rest of Citadel would be too...
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I think there is a misconception around, which is causing all the uproar. Namely, the difference between the EDR overlay in the game, and the EDR Discord bot.
The EDR overlay app does nothing but access the database to display info to non-registered users. For registered users it collects data from cmdr-to-cmdr combat related events as they happen, such as applicable system, scans, interdictions, shots fired, and kills, and forwards these events to the database. The database then applies a very basic algorithm based on a cmdr's history, to categorize them somewhere in the lawful -> outlaw range. This data is then in turn distributed to the registered and non-registered users.
Additionally it has some cool features like looking up nearest mats trader, telling you what materials should be available based on state of the system you entered, and also raw materials if they are above a certain % treshold in one of the planets (which is collected from Inara iirc, but don't hold me to exactly where it gets that info).
That is the EDR plugin for EDMC, and hence in-game feature in a nutshell.
The EDR Discord bot is similar, but you can more actively request information about other cmdrs by direct query similar to other bots around. The reply will give you some basic information on the cmdr, like their Inara profile (if one exists), the algorithm based lawful->outlaw category, and some newly added info on bounty history, ship history etc. Basically a snapshot of the cmdrs history and a qualified guess as to what their playstyle is.
Like all other Discord bots it needs read access to the channel it is placed in for it to be able to see the user query. This is why you should always quarantine all bots in your Discord, unless you explicitly trust the source to a fault, to only the channels where it's absolutely needed. The EDR Discord bot is no different in that respect, as that's the entire principle of all Discord bots. Afaik it has however been limited to a select few Discords, and by application only, because it was never intended to be present in all Elite Discords as a look-up tool. It was meant for exactly what Jason alludes to in a previous post; fix the lack of cmdr history available in the game to give an indication of what legal status is most applicable to the cmdr in question based on their scanned history inside the game.
So, when discussing EDR it's atleast useful to specify which of the two it is, as they are based on the same data, but their behaviour and application is not.