I have 10 BILLION Credits but can't buy a ship to fight thargoids

[SergMx]

The phrase was here on the forum and it went something like this.
Developers consider cold orbit an unintended way to deal with interceptors, but accept it.

I never found out what the recommended method was. So far I've settled on the theory that the recommended method is the wing.
And I'm thankful that people have found the cold orbit method which shows that people prefer to play not only as a team but also alone.

I even saw a video of a man doing it on a gamepad on an XBox. It's cool, but unfortunately it's not using a big ship.
In the end surviving on a big ship brings more risk since the cost of losing 45 million.

I realize that mastering cold orbit is considered a skill. But to me, it's considered mastery when a man kills a Hydra on a Corvette. Not on a Cutter, where you can run away and repair yourself, but on a Corvette.

 

[Shadowsnog]

However it won't work for medusa.

im in no way an ax ace but (sometimes ) i took down medusa in ax cz with 2 small modshards (and 2 large azi mc, but those really dont count much w dusa)
attempting it takes too much time and effort so i usually skip on those

They don't really know how to play one on one in AХСZ.

says you? finally got your rearm mats?

And I remember well how they flooded the forum crying when hunters appeared and broke their cold orbit !

bruh, your crying posts occupy 60% of this forum space. i counted. i try to not hold it against you, because everyone can (and should) ask and talk. thats all great and every good person is welcome to the discussion. but at least the bit of modesty and self awareness before pointing fingers at other ax pilots really wouldnt hurt.
you have to be this tall to ride this attraction...

P.S. And most importantly, remember. Cold orbit is not an intended way to fight interceptors. As long as they look at it simply, but at any moment they can remove it !

i do believe that was an assumption of the playerbase, but you can correct me on that.

ps: killing hydra in a vette really isnt a mastery

 

[SergMx]

It is convenient to read and post to the forum anywhere. Usually it is a traffic jam in a car.

im in no way an ax ace but (sometimes ) i took down medusa in ax cz with 2 small modshards (and 2 large azi mc, but those really dont count much w dusa)
attempting it takes too much time and effort so i usually skip on those

And Medusa sometimes show up even in weak AXCZ and can't be missed to finish a zone.

bruh, your crying posts occupy 60% of this forum space. i counted. i try to not hold it against you, because everyone can (and should) ask and talk. thats all great and every good person is welcome to the discussion. but at least the bit of modesty and self awareness before pointing fingers at other ax pilots really wouldnt hurt.
you have to be this tall to ride this attraction...

Maybe something is wrong with my translation but I never personally blamed any pilot. And your words seem to me to be directed at me personally.

ps: killing hydra in a vette really isnt a mastery

Just compare the number of youtube videos of people killing a hydra on a corvette with shields and no cold orbits and people doing it on some leader with a cold orbit.
I know at least one from our community who actually did it.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6ZmYyr7K-g

 

[Uiros Ueramos]

About the statement, I'll try to find it.

Ok. I will be waiting for it.

When the glaives came out I didn't understand why people were grumbling about them. There was essentially no easier and simpler purpose. Slightly harder than scouts, they can't even remove a shield.

Fast passenger ships optimized for Thargoid Invasion rescues with Low Emissions/Thermal Spread Power Plant + Silent Running + Heat Sinks, that were, previously, able to evade Interceptors and Scouts, due to cold running and speed, became unable to evade and escape Glaives, turning them in to sitting ducks. The mission types they were built for, became near impossible to complete.

That was the main reason for the protests. Combat pilots in their AX Ships thought little of those Glaives...

I more or less learned how to play in orbit, but only on keyboard and mouse.

Good to know.

But there are three things I don't like about it.
1. is that I can't use it on big ships.

Understandable.

2. I need to fly without a shield.

If the ship is agile enough to avoid the damage while doing Cold Orbit, like a Chieftain , you can still use a shield, but it will consume more power, increase your heat production and the size of your damage box, making it more difficult to avoid the Interceptor's damage. Still possible, but not recommended.

3. and most importantly I can't hit on the joystick.

Have you tried using Joystick Gremlin ?

My old Saitek X52 (18 years old) has lost the precision it had when I purchased it, and I couldn't hit the Interceptors hearts with fixed weapons. I installed Joystick Gremlin to create curves to smooth the input and I became able to hit hearts without difficulty for all fixed weapons, except for Gauss. Gauss will require a new more precise HOTAS, but Joystick Gremlin is a great help for precision.

I bought a joystick especially for Elite and I like to fly on it, I am more immersed in the game.

May I ask which one?

 

[Uiros Ueramos]

The phrase was here on the forum and it went something like this.
Developers consider cold orbit an unintended way to deal with interceptors, but accept it.

"Unintended" does not have the same meaning as "forbidden". It is just that the developers were not expecting that that such a technique could be invented. They were simply surprised. But FDev being surprised with what players can invent is not something new: Distant Worlds Expeditions, Buckyball Racing, FA Off Station Acrobatics, SRV Orbital insertions, etc...

FDev being surprised by unexpected player inventions/innovations, does not mean they are not pleased with those. It means they were surprised, because they never thought of that.

I concede that FDev's original intention was to make all Interceptors a Wing adversary. But players skills vary widely and some of them are just very good at solving problems. That is why the developers' reaction to those players was to make vastly more powerful versions of Interceptors as time got by, culminating in the Hydra, which can only be soloed by the top of the top of AX pilots. A minute percentage of ED players.

And we cannot forget that it was FDev that made Interceptors have difficulty targeting the players' cold ships. Players just used that to the best of their knowledge and invented the Cold Orbiting technique.

I never found out what the recommended method was. So far I've settled on the theory that the recommended method is the wing.

I think that is correct. But "recommended", not "law".

And I'm thankful that people have found the cold orbit method which shows that people prefer to play not only as a team but also alone.

From what the statistics tell us, the large majority of ED players play mostly solo.

I even saw a video of a man doing it on a gamepad on an XBox. It's cool, but unfortunately it's not using a big ship.

I understand that it can be frustrating.

In the end surviving on a big ship brings more risk since the cost of losing 45 million.

I agree. Large ships are not agile enough to avoid damage. Other tactics must be adopted to survive and to kill the Interceptors. But it can be done with proper engineering and methods. I have seen many CMDRs in large ships, in AX CZs, destroying Interceptors alone. Of course it is far easier in a Wing.

I realize that mastering cold orbit is considered a skill. But to me, it's considered mastery when a man kills a Hydra on a Corvette. Not on a Cutter, where you can run away and repair yourself, but on a Corvette.

I agree. It is harder than with a Cold Orbiter, even when using 6 Guardian weapons.

 

[Jack Winter]

The phrase was here on the forum and it went something like this.
Developers consider cold orbit an unintended way to deal with interceptors, but accept it.

I never found out what the recommended method was. So far I've settled on the theory that the recommended method is the wing.
And I'm thankful that people have found the cold orbit method which shows that people prefer to play not only as a team but also alone.

I even saw a video of a man doing it on a gamepad on an XBox. It's cool, but unfortunately it's not using a big ship.
In the end surviving on a big ship brings more risk since the cost of losing 45 million.

I realize that mastering cold orbit is considered a skill. But to me, it's considered mastery when a man kills a Hydra on a Corvette. Not on a Cutter, where you can run away and repair yourself, but on a Corvette.

How about this guy using a T-10?

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWVfT6pSECQ

 

[Naaman Aram]

Indeed it is all about managing your trajectory that such never happens! I understand that got unlucky can mean a lot of different things and accidents can happen, but try to think about that and ask yourself whether it really was pure luck or if there was something you could have done to avoid getting that close at all.

I really appreciate your input commander. At the time it felt like bad luck because I discovered I can sit behind the thargoid boosting constantly to avoid him turning on me in order to keep his aggro focused forward at an NPC. If he does begin to turn on me successfully I can just boost under and scoot. Pretty much it appeared to me that the Medusa had transferred it's aggro from an NPC conda to a different NPC type 10 when in reality the whole time it was right ed off at me.
Actually, now that I think about it.. Am I misunderstanding the aggro system? I feel like I'm pretty reliant (in AX zone) for the thargoids to go look at the NPCs instead of me. Shooting the enemy in the back is easier after all.

I'm in a problem spot now though, with my current strategy. Something has to give, in order for me to 'git gud'.

I fought in a AX CZ LOW where I performed really well late the other day, used everything I learned so far and kept damages to a minimum while scoring 3 cyclops kills and a score of gibbed thargoid scouts when I ultimately won the instance. I received a handsome payment, and joined a group of NPCs who were sharing repair limpets, when... a Hydra showed up. Pretty visceral memories come up I remember flying around it and seeing right away that was a thicc boi. It's many hearts overlapping, some in front and some in back. I painstakingly destroyed 2 of it's hearts before succumbing to it's cannonfire. In the end I legit felt like I was playing Dark Souls, I knew in my mind exactly what he looked like when turning to fire and I kept my attention to his swarm location. I thought, you ain't gonna hit me again! each time I made a pass but damn if that isn't near impossible to achieve while also damaging the monster... while in a hot ship I mean.

I saw some videos of people just straight up bullying a Hydra to death by stunlocking it while manipulating it's sleep phase
they were doing that in an anaconda solo though, or in a squad of 4 medium ships
seems interesting, I'll look into it later for the meme

what really needs to happen though is I need to start flying cold around these idiots. Maybe I can do something where, I don't need to cold orbit but just get cold while in danger range.... I've taken away 2 cannons from my MK2 and replaced them with laserbeams to cool me off, will share results later.

 

[Naaman Aram]

3. and most importantly I can't hit on the joystick.
I bought a joystick especially for Elite and I like to fly on it, I am more immersed in the game.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT I've been secretly wanting a joystick for a long time thinking that it would make me aim better.

Totally not true or what? Is your joystick not that good maybe?

 

[Naaman Aram]

Not on a Cutter, where you can run away and repair yourself, but on a Corvette.

so true I love my Corvette so much but it's straight up kill or be killed

 

[Naaman Aram]

Maybe something is wrong with my translation

Sorry for like 4 post replies in a row I realise if I just read the whole forum page then did a whole big reply it would look better I'm not used to this so I'll take a break after this one

I want to ask you, are you using a translator to change your post then put it here in English? That seems like a lot of effort. Me and a lot of other people can browser translate your native language instantly. idk I think it's interesting if you have something to say you can say it how you think it.

But really though that video is awesome! Holey crap so it's doable!? OK... so killing that swarm, which is like 6x cyclops swarm yea REALLY important. DO THAT, and you break a heart it just leaves you alone????? I'm gonna search for a write up on this, expect me making an attempt at this at some point.

 

[Shadowsnog]

but damn if that isn't near impossible to achieve

ax combat is the activity where you spend everything. your ship, mats, time, energy, skill, sanity... and from all the xenos hydra is the enemy. one mistake and you are done.
however id say that if you got up to the dusa, you are at least a decent ax pilot, so take some pride in that.
hydra really isnt an enemy to be taken up solo in an ax cz. or at least not in any leisure way... however if you would like to join the herculean ranks then id suggest you dont do it in ax cz but do the solo(/wing) combat in open space instead, so you arent punished for mistakes of npcs around you. if you would like to have a perhaps bit more structured learning space with a mentor, consider anti-xeno initiative. you probably wont find many better places for learning ax combat.

 

[Uiros Ueramos]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT I've been secretly wanting a joystick for a long time thinking that it would make me aim better.

Totally not true or what? Is your joystick not that good maybe?

I found out from experience with some friends' HOTAS systems that precision varies greatly from low-end to high end.

 

[Shadowsnog]

Fast passenger ships optimized for Thargoid Invasion rescues with Low Emissions/Thermal Spread Power Plant + Silent Running + Heat Sinks, that were, previously, able to evade Interceptors and Scouts, due to cold running and speed, became unable to evade and escape Glaives, turning them in to sitting ducks. The mission types they were built for, became near impossible to complete.

That was the main reason for the protests. Combat pilots in their AX Ships thought little of those Glaives...

dude you had the longest antiglaive rant ive seen on this forum. u sure those were evac pilots ranting?
this you?

 

[SergMx]

Fast passenger ships optimized for Thargoid Invasion rescues with Low Emissions/Thermal Spread Power Plant + Silent Running + Heat Sinks, that were, previously, able to evade Interceptors and Scouts, due to cold running and speed, became unable to evade and escape Glaives, turning them in to sitting ducks. The mission types they were built for, became near impossible to complete.

I'm not quite following you. I have done such missions without any problems on Cutter with one ECM and that's it. It's VERY simple.
I had thought of using a Beluga but it is very slow, these missions are not for such ships.

May I ask which one?

Joystick is not particularly famous at you, it is our local production, he had a yaw clearance was not a normal sensor and just a resistor had to disassemble it and glue there magnets with a sensor.

 

[SergMx]

How about this guy using a T-10?

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWVfT6pSECQ

Most likely it is being repaired and resupplied at the station, such an issue will not pass now.
Plus coming to the zone without heavy damage ...

 

[SergMx]

I really appreciate your input commander. At the time it felt like bad luck because I discovered I can sit behind the thargoid boosting constantly to avoid him turning on me in order to keep his aggro focused forward at an NPC. If he does begin to turn on me successfully I can just boost under and scoot. Pretty much it appeared to me that the Medusa had transferred it's aggro from an NPC conda to a different NPC type 10 when in reality the whole time it was right ed off at me.
Actually, now that I think about it.. Am I misunderstanding the aggro system? I feel like I'm pretty reliant (in AX zone) for the thargoids to go look at the NPCs instead of me. Shooting the enemy in the back is easier after all.

I'm in a problem spot now though, with my current strategy. Something has to give, in order for me to 'git gud'.

I fought in a AX CZ LOW where I performed really well late the other day, used everything I learned so far and kept damages to a minimum while scoring 3 cyclops kills and a score of gibbed thargoid scouts when I ultimately won the instance. I received a handsome payment, and joined a group of NPCs who were sharing repair limpets, when... a Hydra showed up. Pretty visceral memories come up I remember flying around it and seeing right away that was a thicc boi. It's many hearts overlapping, some in front and some in back. I painstakingly destroyed 2 of it's hearts before succumbing to it's cannonfire. In the end I legit felt like I was playing Dark Souls, I knew in my mind exactly what he looked like when turning to fire and I kept my attention to his swarm location. I thought, you ain't gonna hit me again! each time I made a pass but damn if that isn't near impossible to achieve while also damaging the monster... while in a hot ship I mean.

I saw some videos of people just straight up bullying a Hydra to death by stunlocking it while manipulating it's sleep phase
they were doing that in an anaconda solo though, or in a squad of 4 medium ships
seems interesting, I'll look into it later for the meme

what really needs to happen though is I need to start flying cold around these idiots. Maybe I can do something where, I don't need to cold orbit but just get cold while in danger range.... I've taken away 2 cannons from my MK2 and replaced them with laserbeams to cool me off, will share results later.

I made a suggestion in another thread (I haven't tried it myself yet) to win in one in AXCZ you need to take an anti-aircraft gun against the swarm and when the hydra appears only destroy the swarm yourself. Hydra is the main problem.

 

[SergMx]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT I've been secretly wanting a joystick for a long time thinking that it would make me aim better.

Totally not true or what? Is your joystick not that good maybe?

You have to have a really good joystick and learn to aim with it. In the case of keyboard and mouse 50% of the work for you did the developers and added the function of auto-centering the mouse, with it to get into the mode in the faoff 10 times easier.

 

[SergMx]

ax combat is the activity where you spend everything. your ship, mats, time, energy, skill, sanity... and from all the xenos hydra is the enemy. one mistake and you are done.
however id say that if you got up to the dusa, you are at least a decent ax pilot, so take some pride in that.
hydra really isnt an enemy to be taken up solo in an ax cz. or at least not in any leisure way... however if you would like to join the herculean ranks then id suggest you dont do it in ax cz but do the solo(/wing) combat in open space instead, so you arent punished for mistakes of npcs around you. if you would like to have a perhaps bit more structured learning space with a mentor, consider anti-xeno initiative. you probably wont find many better places for learning ax combat.

In fact, even before the war, before the reworking of the locus of purpose in Thargoids, killing Cyclops, Medusa, and Hydra was quite the same thing. Just need more fusion for ammo. Shoot a heart, fly away shoot a swarm, shoot a heart again, etc.
The Basilisk, with its greater speed than Cutter, didn't allow you to keep your distance and you had to play very carefully.

 

[Uiros Ueramos]

dude you had the longest antiglaive rant ive seen on this forum. u sure those were evac pilots ranting?
this you?

Yes, indeed. That "rant" was by my own hand. It was a long "rant", but it was not an "antiglaive rant". I wanted alterations to them, to curb the excessive abilities, not to exclude them from the game. This almost happened recently, with FDev excluding them from everywhere except Maelstroms. I did not like that.

I was an AX pilot, as well as an evac pilot too. My cold and fast passenger Orca and Dolphin had to stay in the garage, after a close call with a Glaive.

I tried to be as much encompassing as possible, including all possible situations. Therefore the length of the post.

But I wasn't the only person protesting the Glaive's unbalance in regard to certain activities, like passenger rescues and supplies.

 

[Uiros Ueramos]

I'm not quite following you. I have done such missions without any problems on Cutter with one ECM and that's it. It's VERY simple.
I had thought of using a Beluga but it is very slow, these missions are not for such ships.

So a powerfully shielded Cutter with ECM and a bunch of Shield Boosters, high waking as fast as possible?

Not the builds I was talking about >>> Low Emissions/Thermal Spread + Heat Sink + Silent Running unshielded Orca or Dolphin.

Joystick is not particularly famous at you, it is our local production, he had a yaw clearance was not a normal sensor and just a resistor had to disassemble it and glue there magnets with a sensor.

Understood. Thank you.