Modes I know I'm beating a dead horse, but we need official PvE servers

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But the first mistake was speeding from the sounds of it.

What I was supposed to to? Wait for the guy to ram me to death? As I said before, I wasn't aware of C&P yet and tried to do everything in order not to lose credits on rebuy (as losing around million was a rather severe step back for me, at least back then).
 
I started to run away with 30% hull left, shield down, FSD charging and me trying to avoid being rammed at the same time. I couldn't dock into Coriolis safely + I had no DC. And I wasn't aware C&P pushes you into prison stations if you are fined before destruction. It was first days of C&P being introduced and I wasn't aware of such changes.

From what I remember, the ad hoc Wing mates told me that guy just docked, paid fines and undocked like nothing happened.

Should have let him kill you! Doing that much damage, he must have been speeding - or do you have minimal shield and hull? If he killed you, he gets a bounty, and probably a quick station-laser death for speed-ramming-murder. But, now you know... unpaid fines, upon destruction, you get sent to the penalty box. I can confirm this... my last death was at the hands of station lasers... got a fine for firing on a PP enemy (NPC) within the NFZ... I'm in a fully engineered Clipper, no problem, I can just boost away, Nope - detention centre for me! And quite some distance from the station where I had swapped my fuel scoop and FSD booster for HRPs! Live and Learn.
 

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You might be on such lists. But again, many will go to any length to never be on such a list. Some people are not fighters, and they don't like having to even think about acting like they are going to be in one.

Proper exploration ships, for example, cannot afford the room for shields up the wazoo as it is all taken by science things such as scanners, maybe cargo racks for collecting thargoid/guardian items for experiments with the new anomalies. Proper trading vessels cannot afford room for armor, they barely have the room for shields just strong enough to protect them from fender benders. They have to have cargo racks, otherwise what good is a trader ship if it has more combat equipment than logistics equipment?

This is a nonsense.

My own exploration and trading ships carry enough defences to allow me a good chance for a high-wake escape if I'm attacked. My exploration ship doesn't have to compromise on any exploration equipment and my trade ship sacrifices a cargo slot for a decent shield - rebuys cost much more than the smidge of profit I'm giving up for it.

Sans engineering... Total trading income to date, somewhere in the neighborhood of 580M credits.
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I can't have a 'pure trade' build but my oponent can have a 'pure killer' build ? Seems to be heavily one sided to me but I can see others don't see it that way so I'll leave you to jour self-congratulating gifs and meme's, I'd wish you happy Xmas but in reality I hope your baubles drop off.;)

Only a sith deals in absolutes
 

Goose4291

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Oh for crap sake.

I'm scatterbrained, that's what that's about :)

Do you mean FSD ranges?

Because if so, its not the people who take umbridge with min/max trade ships in PP for example that have that issue, its people who want a ship that has zero drawbacks.

I mean if you.look way way way back.in my.post history, you'll see I was one of those leading the charge against those who were pressuring (and succeeding) in getting FDev to buff the FDL from its original flawed but deadly in the hands of a master design concept into the bland ultimate meta killer it became.
 
Do you mean FSD ranges?

Because if so, its not the people who take umbridge with min/max trade ships in PP for example that have that issue, its people who want a ship that has zero drawbacks.

I mean if you.look way way way back.in my.post history, you'll see I was one of those leading the charge against those who were pressuring (and succeeding) in getting FDev to buff the FDL from its original flawed but deadly in the hands of a master design concept into the bland ultimate meta killer it became.

I'm not saying it was you or any of the present company because I have no idea about that.

But you're not representative of those having issues with min max builds.
 
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Goose4291

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Hahahaha brilliant!

It was such a good little CG on an outpost.

Another time I drifted in with all my systems flatlined, ice forming on my cockpit and drifted past the picket line that had formed outside the no fire zone and docked up.

Good times. I'd love to return to that era of ED.
 
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How did you get to 30% hull?

I dunno, being rammed by Medium-size ship again and again within NFZ, like I've been posting before? Once again, I must repeat that HAPPENED BACK WHEN C&P WAS INTRODUCED HAVING NO IDEA ABOUT THAT FINES UPON DESTRUCTION SPAWN YOU AT SOMETHING THAT IS PRISON COLONY/SHIP. Writing in big letters, because some people missed the point the entire situation happened in two-three days from introduction of C&P.

I attempted to run away after being rammed the second time, from a ramming guy inside NFZ, without knowledge over C&P, trying to save around million credits of rebuy. Because back then it was still a serious backtrack as a person who could invest maybe hour-two a day.
 
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I dunno, being rammed by Medium-size ship again and again within NFZ, like I've been posting before? Once again, I must repeat that HAPPENED BACK WHEN C&P WAS INTRODUCED HAVING NO IDEA ABOUT THAT FINES UPON DESTRUCTION SPAWN YOU AT SOMETHING THAT IS PRISON COLONY/SHIP. Writing in big letters, because some people missed the point the entire situation happened in two-three days from introduction of C&P.

I attempted to run away after being rammed the second time, from a ramming guy inside NFZ, without knowledge over C&P, trying to save around million credits of rebuy. Because back then it was still a serious backtrack as a person who could invest maybe hour-two a day.


Were you in a shieldless, paper build or something?
No need to get upset.

I am just trying to understand what happened.
 
I know I said I'm out, but when I started this thread I didn't realise I was a master necromancer... That horse might stink to high heaven but it's alive and kicking every which way!

Edit: keep going! This is so interesting, getting quite a lot of new insights
 
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I know I said I'm out, but when I started this thread I didn't realise I was a master necromancer... That horse might stink to high heaven but it's alive and kicking every which way!

With the new 'low wake bug' (nothing PVP can be mass locked) we now have a path paved for 'PVE' only!
 
To go back to the OP's original post I don'r see why you need PvE servers.
Surely all you need is an official PvE private group?

I would guess that the current private groups, especially the larger ones like Mobius, already get a fair bit of support from Frontier.
So I see no reason why there couldn't be an 'in-house' group instead of Solo mode.
 
To go back to the OP's original post I don'r see why you need PvE servers.
Surely all you need is an official PvE private group?

I would guess that the current private groups, especially the larger ones like Mobius, already get a fair bit of support from Frontier.
So I see no reason why there couldn't be an 'in-house' group instead of Solo mode.

I do - Frontier would have to increase their costs in running an 'in-house' PvE group, with hiring additional resources to police and maintain it.

Mobius does it for free.
 
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To go back to the OP's original post I don'r see why you need PvE servers.
Surely all you need is an official PvE private group?

I would guess that the current private groups, especially the larger ones like Mobius, already get a fair bit of support from Frontier.
So I see no reason why there couldn't be an 'in-house' group instead of Solo mode.

The issue is the max number of accounts you can have in a PG is 20k.. They now have Mobius, Mobius US (I think that is what it is called) , Mobius Eurasia, and Mobius Factions.. and heck there could be more. All told there are I think 50k+ users now in Mobius... and that is just that PVE group. Those who want a PVE Open alongside the current one are people who want to play with those from all over the world just like those in Open do. But currently they can't, they have to jump between different PG's many times to play alongside friends from different areas.

I do - Frontier would have to increase their costs in running an 'in-house' PvE group, with hiring additional resources to police and maintain it.

Mobius does it for free.

Sad thing is that in truth Mobius should not have to do it at all... but to have PVE he and others stepped up and have put up with a LOT of crap from some commanders for it.
 
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If Frontier helped Mobius to clear out all the inactive accounts (let's say no log-in for 6-12 months), he'd probably only need 1 group.

But that would mess up his "4,000,000 Players" claims, so it's a tricky call for him.
 
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