I must say, I'm pretty disappointed with the name plates they shower off so far,

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They're charging for that crap?

Ok, I'm CRAP at art and photoshop so when I see something even I could do in those pics it makes me wonder how far FD are willing to go for cash.
 

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Jack Schitt said:
Hmm. When they spoke about needing "name plates" I naively (and it would appear incorrectly) assumed they'd be something similar to the body kits, a physical addition to the ship that would sit atop the complex geometry of the hull and provide a more uniform surface on which to stencil the actual name. Something like this might have justified making them a paid-for cosmetic.

But while the skull and other graphics are nice, there doesn't seem to have been much additional effort put in to what we're seeing here. Maybe the Asp is a bad example because for the name location they've chosen the largest unadorned flat area which happens to be dorsal aft, not where you'd traditionally expect to find a name on a ship designed to land on planets. I'd at least expect to be able to read the name from the ground when it's parked next to me. Maybe there's one that goes underneath, a la Starfleet registry numbers?

I guess the ultimate test will be the price. If it's one or two quid per style option, and each option can be used on any number of ships, it might be a worthwhile investment for those of us who like our screenshots and videos. Anything more than that, especially if it's per-ship, and it's going to feel like a cash grab. Never forget, "Can we name our ships?" was part of the Kickstarter FAQ. And while most players were quite forgiving of the delay in actual implementation, I suspect had the FAQ answer been "Yes, but you'll have to pay extra cash before anyone can see even the most basic stencilled name," that the responses might have been a little lighter in the goodwill department.

The proof of the pudding will be in the store soon, I guess.
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Something like this?

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Kosmetas said:
Every time they give us any thing the community desires.... the tears and complaints flow more than the request for said code. Let's not even get started on the everything should be free posts. Unbelievable how so many are brats and entitled, have to thank all those single moms and dads.
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The main issue is that most people don't like being treated like fools whereas some people don't seem to have an issue. Basic effort is not even noteworthy of payment, let alone even wanting that low quality rubbish on a ship for free. Why you feel the need for hyperbole I don't know and now you're having a dig at kids who lost their parents? Wow dude, that's pretty low.

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Kosmetas said:
My bad, I didn't understand how truly upsetting these name tags were to so many of you. Hell, I can't recall a single video log from Braden's Kickstart dreams and promises where he promised free name tags after launch... free anything for that matter. I can't recall complaining about the cost of my entertainment, I always figured if I can't afford to play I should be working more. This is a good game, not perfect, better than any other of it's kind. I will continue to pay them to develop and fine tune it, with the added fun of these forums.

Thanks for the tears... I love single moms, just added the dad part to be fair, you know equal opportunity.
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Yeah I'll add you to my ignore list now - nothing worth reading here anyway.
 

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Mendaharin Tusca said:
Was really not expecting them to simply take the place of livery which seems to be the case judging from their placement.
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It would probably mean extra dev time to make other parts of the ship available for other art assets. I mean, as you're getting them for free I wouldn't expect them to waste dev time on new....what was that?....they're charging for the names but can't be bothered to make new areas to put them so that have to go over decals you already have?
 

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Well I shouldn`t complain, i did say a while back that even the simplest man would at least PAINT a name on his barge, so we should have some way of naming our ship in game. At least we can now name and basically paint it on our ship.
 
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Bran Tse Mallory said:
This really is simple to resolve... If you don't like it and it costs money... Don't buy it! I'm just happy we're getting ship naming!
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So we should listen to someone who is happy to accept the cheapest, lowest, most rubbish work that will be charged at prices far exceeding the effort made to make? "We're getting ship naming!!!" So that's it, you cease to care about quality just because you just have to have ship naming? So stuff the game, stuff where it's going - I don't care we get ship naming and even if that all drags us down to the depths of hell, I'm still supporting it!!

LOL I can't take you seriously.
 

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mp4x said:
Well, no, how many hours put in a game is entirely relevant. The gaming industry itself uses 'X hours gameplay' to sell games. Value for money in this industry is rated in time spent, because presumably people spend time doing things they enjoy.

Saying 'I bought a release of this game and therefire should be entitled to all cosmetic/whatevet stuff they happen to think up' is completely arbitrary, though
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Nobody in the history of anywhere has used the number of hours they spent playing a game as a measure of how much they like the game and that would be ridiculous. I don't look through my steam games and rank them in order of hours played. You know what a good game is to you and what isn't and most people base their perception of a game on how much enjoyment they got out of it, not how long they did it for.

I'd love to see a chart of ED on How many hours actually enjoyed over how many hours spent in loading screens and also watching netflix.

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Thats the bit i meant seems arbitrary. That we're somehow entitled to cosmetic updates... Beyond wanting them - i want them too - and that they come from frontier, how are you getting to that conclusion? Had it been promised somewhere early on in the kickstarter or listed as coming in a patch?

Where does the entitlement come from?

Going back to my references on spending money on junk, it gives it perspective... 2 dollars more on a game that was a low initial investment and has returned me many many hours of play, is money im happy to pay and not unreasonable to ask when looking at the whole picture.
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One place it might come from is paying £40 and then £30 for a game not even worth £25?
 

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Kaltern said:
I think this is pretty much my huge issue with this whole Microtransaction thing. In all games now. I have absolutely no issue paying money to buy a frivolous cosmetic item in game (such as a gold paint job. Or a chrome one... :p ) to support the game development, thawt's a choice we all have. However, it's becoming very clear that the original intent to allow things to be gotten in-game with no RMT is a complete fallacy, as it simply isn't true at all. Naming your ship isn't even a vanity thing, as unless you buy a nameplate to go with it, noone else can actually SEE it on your ship, so that makes no sense at all.

I can only hope that we're misreading the beta notes a bit, as while they say noone else can see your shipname at the moment, perhaps that will change when the game goes live.

If not, then it's going to irritate many more people than it will please.
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It will certainly add to the meme that's building that FD are money grabbing. Not a good place to be as a developer.
 

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playfuldreamer said:
Let's say, hypothetically, you're a CMDR who favors PvP and combat-oriented gameplay. Good news: your mode of play is accessible without financial barrier. You can buy new ships, outfit different weapons, and engage in all the combat your heart desires--without the need to pay extra, though you have the option of purchasing Horizons for some Engineering fun.

But now let's say you're a CMDR who prefers more RP based and customization gameplay. Bad news: your mode of play exists behind a financial barrier. You can play the game, sure, but you more or less have to engage in activities you wouldn't consider to be your gameplay bread and butter. Want to customize your ship? Pay for the paint. Want to show off the name of your ship? Pay for the stencil work.

The Commanders does introduce avatar customization and the breadth of customization available within that system is great. Sure, we could use more hairstyles or beards or what have you, but it's a sound feature as is.

But generally speaking, content for roleplayers and/or customization fans is not accessible through normal gameplay as it is for other playstyles (combat, exploration, etc). One might argue that this implies the game isn't for those kinds of players, but then I'd remind them that Frontier disagrees because they're expanding the limited roleplaying and customization options with 2.3--albeit largely behind a paywall.

I think, with regard to customization specifically, Frontier are not holding up their end of the transaction here by charging for bare-minimum customization ship-naming. They should offer a very basic option for free with the release of ship names and then charge for more specialized or unique plates in the store.
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That's not really true though. Horizons is a must for PVP - non horizons players cannot access the Eng's and cannot compete against Engineered ships.
 

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Father Giliam said:
Then don't name your ship, period. Naming your ship would be a form of registration, something an "undercover agent" would avoid.

Also its safe to say, you are in the extreme minority.
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That would be like going around everywhere saying "The names Bond....."

"Oh, you mean the "secret" agent from MI5 who can't stop telling everyone his identity?!"

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vitriol said:
No, that is not what I meant by "other games". Star Citizen is unreleased and is being kickstarted under a different business model. For equivalency, let's use a released example of a pay-up-front full-priced MMO with no subscription, real money currency, and paid expansions just like Elite. Guild Wars 2. In GW2 you get a limited selection of paint for your armour for free. There's a few hundred premium, more vivid colours to get, but you can get a select bunch of of the more drab ones for free. Not to mention there are events which give you premium stuff for free.

Why can't Frontier offer basic customization for free, then, if GW2 can do it? Speculation:
1. Frontier knows people will buy it anyway. This may be true. People are desperate for any kind of game in the space sim genre, just like the crafting-survival genre was when DayZ was a big thing.
2. Frontier can't afford to release free customization. Who knows. The specifics of their finances are private.
3. Frontier doesn't have enough experienced artists to make truly premium skins cheaply, and would need to outsource. Less possible, but then again, Frontier has a high turnover rate according to many Glassdoor reviews, and it would explain a lot of the "lol paint bucket fill tool" and lack of unique assets for paint jobs.

My money is on a combination of #1 and #3.
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How about rubbing it in further and looking at Free-To_Play games?

Warframe - comes with basic character and ship modification. You can colour your ship inside and out and your character - buying a paint pack was cheap too irrc, which I felt inclined to do because that's the kind of game I like to support. So Warframe is free and gives more options than ED which cost £70 at reelase for ED + Horizons.

Next Free-To-Play game - path of exile - it's entire business model is organized around cosmetic things but even that game gives you FREE cosmetics and it's their entire business model.

People seem to think that somehow, FD require 10 times more money than other game company's and it's staggering to see people defending them.
 
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Nobody in the history of anywhere has used the number of hours they spent playing a game as a measure of how much they like the game and that would be ridiculous. I don't look through my steam games and rank them in order of hours played. You know what a good game is to you and what isn't and most people base their perception of a game on how much enjoyment they got out of it, not how long they did it for.
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Are you talking about "enjoyment over time" or "burst enjoyment"?

Do you want to look at the peak enjoyment or at the area created by time x enjoyment?

Enjoyment isn't that easy to measure ;)
 

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What really vexes me about the whole thing is theres not a 'stock' one for free. I dont begrudge the idea of nameplates costing money, but I really dont see why there isnt a 'rubbish' stock option one. It feels very nickle and dimey
 

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Goose4291 said:
What really vexes me about the whole thing is theres not a 'stock' one for free. I dont begrudge the idea of nameplates costing money, but I really dont see why there isnt a 'rubbish' stock option one. It feels very nickle and dimey
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was that written somewhere officially, that we wont get free ones?
 
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