I’d like more commanders in the Open

[Navigare Necesse Est]

I’m very aware there’s still plenty of ways to tell who’s a npc and who isn’t. I’m saying that if these carebears are so scared of the hollow box then remove it.

They aren't afraid of the hollow box on the HUD - we all know that.

 

[Brrokk]

I'm speed mining in Borann. Taking advantage of the triple hotspot LTD spawn to make Billions in days.

You cant pretend that this coupled with solo play isn't an exploit because it is the literal definition of exploiting game mechanics to give myself an advantage, both in terms of difficulty and resources.

Later today I may combat log on an NPC so I dont have to slow down.

Given the amount of players doing same I suspect I won't get to 5 billion before the triple hotspots are removed.

I claim this isn't an exploit. FD have set the price of LTDs, implemented hotspots, allowed them to overlap and coded what happens to their stats when they do, designed Solo mode as a game feature and set the price for fleet carriers. As far as I'm aware all these game elements are working as intended (apart from the one which is only in beta of course). ED being a sandbox game, players have the option to make use of any of these features in combination; this is also by design.

If you think I'm wrong and any one of these features isn't working as intended I suggest you submit a bug report.

I get a bit tired of people bandying "exploit" on this forum when what they really mean is "feature I don't like".

 

[Ouberos]

"feature I don't like".

I dont like it so much I'm using it right now.

 

[Dillon Fallon]

I claim this isn't an exploit. FD have set the price of LTDs, implemented hotspots, allowed them to overlap and coded what happens to their stats when they do, designed Solo mode as a game feature and set the price for fleet carriers. As far as I'm aware all these game elements are working as intended (apart from the one which is only in beta of course). ED being a sandbox game, players have the option to make use of any of these features in combination; this is also by design.

If you think I'm wrong and any one of these features isn't working as intended I suggest you submit a bug report.

I get a bit tired of people bandying "exploit" on this forum when what they really mean is "feature I don't like".

Considering this earns more credits than the broken wing sourcing missions, which were nerfed; the old Sothis/Ceos delivery missions, which were nerfed; the Seaton passenger runs, which were nerfed; the skimmer missions, which were nerfed; massacre mission stacking, which was nerfed; Quince scan data missions, which were nerfed; it is not unreasonable to state that on past behaviour, FDev consider a single activity that creates an unbalanced amount of credits when compared to other activities as an exploit which they will eventually patch out.

I'm sure there are plenty more examples where changes have been made to prevent exactly this type of credit making

 

[Cheese Helmet]

They aren't afraid of the hollow box on the HUD - we all know that.

Obviously it’s the knowledge that it’s a person and not an npc engaging them that’s the problem. Because the way you handle either is the same.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Considering this earns more credits than the broken wing sourcing missions, which were nerfed; the old Sothis/Ceos delivery missions, which were nerfed; the Seaton passenger runs, which were nerfed; the skimmer missions, which were nerfed; massacre mission stacking, which was nerfed; Quince scan data missions, which were nerfed; it is not unreasonable to state that on past behaviour, FDev consider a single activity that creates an unbalanced amount of credits when compared to other activities as an exploit which they will eventually patch out.

I'm sure there are plenty more examples where changes have been made to prevent exactly this type of credit making

I'm sure it will be nerfed in due time, too.

 

[VoluptaBox]

Considering this earns more credits than the broken wing sourcing missions, which were nerfed; the old Sothis/Ceos delivery missions, which were nerfed; the Seaton passenger runs, which were nerfed; the skimmer missions, which were nerfed; massacre mission stacking, which was nerfed; Quince scan data missions, which were nerfed; it is not unreasonable to state that on past behaviour, FDev consider a single activity that creates an unbalanced amount of credits when compared to other activities as an exploit which they will eventually patch out.

I'm sure there are plenty more examples where changes have been made to prevent exactly this type of credit making

They might, but until then it is not an exploit

 

[gorankar]

Do you want more commanders in open or not?
Why do you want them there?
Why would they want to be there?

 

[Dillon Fallon]

They might, but until then it is not an exploit

No, not yet, and anyone getting in there making credits will have no judgement from me. However past history in the game shows that these types of cash generators don't last because they are eventually deemed to be exploits.

Obviously it's not fair for Frontier to call it as such but still leave it in the game, but based on what has happened in the past, this will disappear.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

Not when it's from other players telling them how they should play, no.

Nobody is telling them how to play. In fact I’m arguing there’s literally no difference in how they play vs an npc or vs a player, the only difference is that they know it’s a player. The game rules and mechanics are no different either way, and the steps you take to achieve your desired outcome are also no different.

 

[Brrokk]

Considering this earns more credits than the broken wing sourcing missions, which were nerfed; the old Sothis/Ceos delivery missions, which were nerfed; the Seaton passenger runs, which were nerfed; the skimmer missions, which were nerfed; massacre mission stacking, which was nerfed; Quince scan data missions, which were nerfed; it is not unreasonable to state that on past behaviour, FDev consider a single activity that creates an unbalanced amount of credits when compared to other activities as an exploit which they will eventually patch out.

I'm sure there are plenty more examples where changes have been made to prevent exactly this type of credit making

I think it's likely FD will do a balance on LTD prices. They did for void opals and painite in indirect ways and they've tinkered with mission payments many times. That doesn't mean the present prices aren't intended though; they coded those. If they reduce them, the reduction will be intended too. There's no justification for calling any of the present situation an exploit. "Exploit" would be if they reduce the LTD prices but I find a way of abusing the UI to still get the old prices.

 

[Ouberos]

I dont like it so much I'm using it right now.

56 minutes later.

109 diamonds mined. Including one core, which I hadn't realised you can surface mine beforehand too. Got 13 chunks out afterwards

Crazy how that works.

 

[CMDR M. Lehman]

I bet you did the rerollins exploit too, so don't complain. Most players wouldn't want to play in your instance anyway.

I have happily done so.

 

[Dillon Fallon]

I think it's likely FD will do a balance on LTD prices. They did for void opals and painite in indirect ways and they've tinkered with mission payments many times. That doesn't mean the present prices aren't intended though; they coded those. If they reduce them, the reduction will be intended too. There's no justification for calling any of the present situation an exploit. "Exploit" would be if they reduce the LTD prices but I find a way of abusing the UI to still get the old prices.

The beta has the triple hotspot removed. Take from that what you will.

 

[Brrokk]

The beta has the triple hotspot removed. Take from that what you will.

That's good, mining will be sensible again.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Remember an interaction in an online game is two-way and there is a real human being at both ends of that interaction. Poor comparison re the movie example. Re the military example - same as using the 911 operator - if the interaction I have with someone ingame is the only interaction I have on which to base a judgement, then I will judge them based on that interaction, be it good or bad. Too many people hide behind the roleplay excuse...

Elite is a fantasy world that works on different rules than ours. We're explicitly encouraged to do things we can't or wouldn't do in real life.

For example: own and fly a space ship as an independent contractor. I don't know about all of you, but I don't own a space ship in real life.

You can't make any meaningful judgement on another player from a single interaction especially when they're playing pretend to begin with.

 

[Brrokk]

...
You can't make any meaningful judgement on another player from a single interaction especially when they're playing pretend to begin with.

By "you can't", I expect you mean "you shouldn't", because actually I can and I do. If a game interaction is all I have to form an opinion from, I use that.

 

[Riverside]

By "you can't", I expect you mean "you shouldn't", because actually I can and I do. If a game interaction is all I have to form an opinion from, I use that.

In-game I try to come across as nice

First impressions count.

 

[CMDR M. Lehman]

By "you can't", I expect you mean "you shouldn't", because actually I can and I do. If a game interaction is all I have to form an opinion from, I use that.

No, Phisto had it correct. You literally cannot ascertain a person's RL character from legitimate in-game activity, because it's a game.

And if you persist in forming an opinion regardless, then you are mistaken for having done so. You might as well claim that an actor's roles informs you as to their real-life personas, because that's all the information you have about them, right?

 

[Robert Maynard]

No, Phisto had it correct. You literally cannot ascertain a person's RL character from legitimate in-game activity, because it's a game.

Indeed - however one can decide, based on their actions, whether the in-game character that the RL person has consciously chosen to adopt is "fun" to play with, or not.

Put another way: a player does not control how their in-game actions are perceived by others.