If I wanted a 'radio-tuning' game I would have rather bought an old radio.

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That galaxy... well it was more than "just a game" Now it isnt. Thats what the FSS did, it broke something really quite special. And now ED... whats it really got to offer anybody?

If you took exploration only and seperated it out into its own game, pretty good chance thats a browser game now. Think about it, only thing a broswer game couldnt match would be the GFX.

Exploration: the Browser Game - Actual Screenshots

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The Data:
https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/jupiterfact.html

Arrival at Saturn ETA 6 minutes.
 
I dunno, maybe they could call it 'community management' or something?

I can't speak for anyone else, but a "Sucks to be you" message would be enough to stop me beating my head against this particular wall.

That’s why I like beating other peoples’ heads against it. It’s not like there’s anything anyone here CAN do. If Frontier wants to change it, they’ll change it. If they don’t, they won’t.
They don’t HAVE to tell us anything, they don’t OWE us anything, as they have already provided the software with which we play.

Anything else is purely indulgence.
 
That’s why I like beating other peoples’ heads against it. It’s not like there’s anything anyone here CAN do. If Frontier wants to change it, they’ll change it. If they don’t, they won’t.
They don’t HAVE to tell us anything, they don’t OWE us anything, as they have already provided the software with which we play.

Anything else is purely indulgence.

I know this.
But it would still be nice to have a response. Indulge me.
 
Not much of an acknowledgement but this might help to placate some:

Wow, they actually responded in the bgs thread? Well, isn't that enough?

If dbobe has chosen to accept swooning reddit feedback as the state of exploration, might be a bit awkward to ask for schedule to make it better?

Its so cruel.

People who didn't want to play the previous game: looked after.
Combat players who don't care: looked after with every generous concession possible granted.
People who enjoyed exploring for all those years before: get lost not your game anymore.

I don't understand why they would do this. /facepalm ;)
 
Wow, they actually responded in the bgs thread? Well, isn't that enough?

If dbobe has chosen to accept swooning reddit feedback as the state of exploration, might be a bit awkward to ask for schedule to make it better?

Its so cruel.

People who didn't want to play the previous game: looked after.
Combat players who don't care: looked after with every generous concession possible granted.
People who enjoyed exploring for all those years before: get lost not your game anymore.

I don't understand why they would do this. /facepalm ;)
My own conclusion is someone high up is married to this "tool", & dissent doesn't matter.
I'm on DW2, I am really not liking the blue blob hunt, to the point where I say frack it, I'm cherry picking WW & ELW because that's how much I dislike spending any time in the FSS screen.
 
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Wow, they actually responded in the bgs thread? Well, isn't that enough?

If dbobe has chosen to accept swooning reddit feedback as the state of exploration, might be a bit awkward to ask for schedule to make it better?

Its so cruel.

People who didn't want to play the previous game: looked after.
Combat players who don't care: looked after with every generous concession possible granted.
People who enjoyed exploring for all those years before: get lost not your game anymore.

I don't understand why they would do this. /facepalm ;)

Probably because the BGS effects virtually everyone that plays and if it isn't working properly then it effects virtually everyone that play negatively.

There is a very small.amount of people complaining about the FSS.

No facepalm at all. It's pretty obvious why they want the BGS working properly. The FSS mechanics seem to be working perfectly fine, whether you like them or not.
 
My own conclusion is someone high up is married to this "tool", & dissent doesn't matter.
I'm on DW2, I am really not liking the blue blob hunt, to the point where I say frack it, I'm cherry picking WW & ELW because that's how much I dislike spending any time in the FSS screen.

Oh, do you think so? Must be why in development no one was brave enough so say, “um sorry, but this is just like a really crap mini-game and actually ruins exploration - reducing it to peering at this stupid screen a lot of the time, boss”.
 
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Oh, do you think so? Must be why in development no one was brave enough so say, “um sorry, but this is just like a really crap mini-game and actually ruins exploration - reducing it to peering at this stupid screen a lot of the time, boss”.

Because it hasn't. Simple really.
 
That’s why I like beating other peoples’ heads against it. It’s not like there’s anything anyone here CAN do. If Frontier wants to change it, they’ll change it. If they don’t, they won’t.
They don’t HAVE to tell us anything, they don’t OWE us anything, as they have already provided the software with which we play.

Anything else is purely indulgence.

Other than the fact that they monitor the forums and have changed the game and added features specifically requested by us.
The FSS is precisely what I and many others have requested,a telescope that we can use to dig into the finer details of a system without actually having to physically travel to each and every body. I’d like to see it expanded to the rest of the galaxy so you can focus in on individual stars,nebulas and even other galaxies.
The problem I have is we now wander the galaxy with a telescope effectively strapped to our faces,it feels limited and complicated and whilst I don’t want the FSS to go away I’d prefer to have a fair idea of the system I’ve entered and then make the decision to dig deeper into the details.
The controls are not intuitive and aren’t explained to the player. Compound this with the FSS telling you in big friendly red letters that you’ve FAILED at something.
 
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The FSS is precisely what I and many others have requested

Nobody wants to take that away you know. We just want to be able to do things how we used to. Ok so "many" requested it. Now we are requesting the old way back. Why is one group being accodated at the expense of another?

The problem I have is we now wander the galaxy with a telescope effectively strapped to our faces

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Probably because the BGS effects virtually everyone that plays and if it isn't working properly then it effects virtually everyone that play negatively.

Except not really.

I've argued in the past (fairly unsuccessfully, it must be said) that they could have replaced the BGS years ago with an actual random number generator entirely unrelated to player actions, and it would have had no substantial effect on gameplay for nearly everyone, excepting the relatively small group of people who are effectively playing an RPG in their heads on top of the actual game as it exists in reality.

Now they've actually gone ahead and done just that, albeit accidentally.

But to me, as a player playing in my own charismatic idiom, it doesn't really matter which RNG-named minor faction runs a station, or what government type it is. They all use the same currency, even the communists and anarchists. They all sell the same stuff. The missions change a little from time to time, but for a player like me (technically a "casual player" but with 10 billion in the bank) it doesn't matter whether the very, very slight variations on mission types is because of a group of players grinding away at one activity for a month or just RNG. The effect is the same: I go to another system where the conditions favour what I want to find and there are thousands to choose from so I never have to go far.

It's a facade. The BGS is like a beehive, where 99% of the bees are scripts. Bees are beautiful in their own way, but almost mindless as individuals. Close up, they're all very busy doing something very hard to discern. Back off, and it's just one monotonic buzz.

The single effect the BGS being fried has on me is the knowledge that the galaxy is now officially a lie. It does affect the way I perceive the game's worth. But it doesn't actually result in any changes to the way I play. (When I play, which is almost never.)

Same with the FSS to be honest. I'm not a screenshot hunter so it doesn't affect me. I guess the only time I might use it would be to find a signal source. But hunting SS for mats is so tedious that I'm more likely to literally find the nearest one and then trade them. So I don't actually need different types of SS spawning in different system states any more, as long as the timesink of getting six times as many of them is about the same as the timesink for hunting for one specific type.

*shrug* Blaze your own trail.
 
But hunting SS for mats is so tedious that I'm more likely to literally find the nearest one and then trade them. So I don't actually need different types of SS spawning in different system states any more, as long as the timesink of getting six times as many of them is about the same as the timesink for hunting for one specific type.

Its designed that way. If you were cynical about it you might say it was designed to troll the stupid. Anybody that takes the system at face value and trys to grind it ends up hating the game. The logic escapes me. Interesting point about the people roleplaying in their heads cause that exactly what i was doing when i went exploring. The FSS really killed that.
 
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If this puerile abomination, the FSS, is truly here to stay, please FD, for the love of all things unholy, give us the ADS as an optional module?
 
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Its designed that way. If you were cynical about it you might say it was designed to troll the stupid. Anybody that takes the system at face value and trys to grind it ends up hating the game. The logic escapes me. Interesting point about the people roleplaying in their heads cause that exactly what i was doing when i went exploring. The FSS really killed that.

You can still roleplay in your head. The FSS has not killed that, you have done that yourself.
 
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