If I wanted a 'radio-tuning' game I would have rather bought an old radio.

[sollisb]

ill just come out and say it, shoot me down if you wish. I think the DWE numbers are there to forward an agenda. Makes me sad.

I don't believe that at all. I'd wait and see how many actually take part, and how many actually finish..

Regardless, DW2 is neither a yay or a nay for the FSS. Anyone thinking that all DW2 peeps are going to sit using the FSS are deluded. The majority will are along for the ride, and will honk, scoop, jump. That is not to diminish, those that will actually use it [FSS]. But like I continually say, some like it, some hate it. (A mere handful according to one local shill)

 

[Stigbob]

Lol whatever. Call me mr suspicious

I said Occam's razor because a that's just philosophical principle not a slur if I was trying for snark I'd have said Hanlon's razor. So it wasn't intended as an insult it was just a bit of a reality check.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I don't believe that at all. I'd wait and see how many actually take part, and how many actually finish..

Regardless, DW2 is neither a yay or a nay for the FSS. Anyone thinking that all DW2 peeps are going to sit using the FSS are deluded. The majority will are along for the ride, and will honk, scoop, jump. That is not to diminish, those that will actually use it [FSS]. But like I continually say, some like it, some hate it. (A mere handful according to one local shill)

Well said. DWE2 is about community, not about proving one thing or another.

 

[Burke]

I said Occam's razor because a that's just philosophical principle not a slur if I was trying for snark I'd have said Hanlon's razor. So it wasn't intended as an insult it was just a bit of a reality check.

It wasnt taken as a slur. Doctored numbers is the simplest answer to why the signup for DWE is over 9000

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

In fairness I can think of one particular shill here who play at most a few hours a month and yet seems to know everything about Elite, what the devs are doing and won't have a bad word said.

I can think of a few who are merely posting here to gloat.

Which is moderator approved, so that's fine.

 

[Stigbob]

I can think of a few who are merely posting here to gloat.

Which is moderator approved, so that's fine.

I think people are just happy with the new stuff and don't want to see it put back in the box.

 

[Burke]

We dont want that either. Just a peek of the system map at the start. Its such a tiny deal, would hardly affect anything but would allow those of us that used that style to continue undisturbed.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I think people are just happy with the new stuff and don't want to see it put back in the box.

You are welcome to think whatever you like.

Just read the thread and you'll see what I mean.

 

[xaisis]

I do like the new sensor system.

I do think there is room for improvements like:

1. Being able to navigate/fly the ship during scanning modes.
2. Having a ship orientation marker in the scanner modes.
3. Having the silhouette/location of the planets shown in system map, after the honk.
4. Being able to scan out of supercruise (to avoid NPC interdictions)
5. Merge the modes
6. Able to mark points of interest for easy find and land.


Btw, light, radio waves n stuff.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

We dont want that either. Just a peek of the system map at the start. Its such a tiny deal, would hardly affect anything but would allow those of us that used that style to continue undisturbed.

I would like the old system of engineering in place alongside the new so I could choose to grind for the 'god-mods' I can no longer get, some of which are a HUGE advantage.

 

[Burke]

I would like the old system of engineering in place alongside the new so I could choose to grind for the 'god-mods' I can no longer get, some of which are a HUGE advantage.

Some of those mods still exist in the game dont they? Just one more argument why the ADS should still be available. They had to steal it from us. Why did we get treated differently?

I must watch my post count. I fear it might get used against me at a later date

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

Some of those mods still exist in the game dont they? Just one more argument why the ADS should still be available. They had to steal it from us. Why did we get treated differently?

I must watch my post count. I fear it might get used against me at a later date

They stole the method not the result, same with the new ADS all your discoveries with the old are still there. My point was can we all just pick and choose which legacy systems we wish them to run in parallel with the new because we preferred them?

 

[Burke]

They stole the method not the result, same with the new ADS all your discoveries with the old are still there. My point was can we all just pick and choose which legacy systems we wish them to run in parallel with the new because we preferred them?

Please correct me if im wrong, there are people flying about with super "grandfatherd" modules arnt there? Those are modules that have instant and obvious effects on other players. How can they be justified to remain the game when we cant even be allowed the old ADS which hurts nobody?

 

[Stigbob]

Please correct me if im wrong, there are people flying abotu with super "grandfatheerd" modules arnt there? Those are modules that have instant and obvious efffects on other players. How can they be justified to remain the game when we cant even be allowed the old ADS which hurts nobody?

Harry Potters maneuverable mini death star adds a sense of foreboding to the game.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

Please correct me if im wrong, there are people flying about with super "grandfatherd" modules arnt there? Those are modules that have instant and obvious effects on other players. How can they be justified to remain the game when we cant even be allowed the old ADS which hurts nobody?

They can't, which is a different argument and thread. I and many others ( some top pvp players included ) demanded their auto-conversion and were ignored. The point still stands, FD got it wrong that time by allowing them to remain, that is not a reason for them to make the same judgement again.

And I will always join any crusade to rid ED of unbalanced god-mods but the fight is lost, the advantages remain in game.

 

[Leper Messiah]

As some here might have gathered, I am against having the ADS introduced in conjuntion with the FSS/DSS system, it just reeks of cherrypicking the good bits of different systems with no downsides, no losses and all gain.

This is like me saying I love the new Engineers but still want to be able to God Roll so I want G1 to G4 to be as it is in the new system, and still have the ability to continually rolls G5's until I get the result I am after with the condition that each roll is either the same or better than the previous. Hey I have enough mats, who cares what I end up with but why should I be disadvantaged just because some are happy with a standard G5 roll.

Nearly every aspect of this game is a balance between win and lose, it is up to the Commander to take those factors into consideration. You want certain weapons, you have to deal with heat or power usage. You want to only mine core, well you have to find them and they are rare.

are you for real?...the ADS is SLOWER and is harder to make money than the new system, so how exactly is bringing the ADS back "no loss and all gain", I'm really aghast.

Yet currently the only ones continuously complaining is just a handful of players. I think everyone does get it except for that handful ….

Actually there's only a few rabidly anti ADSers who show will full ignorance despite being shown facts that prove other wise, the vast majority of the others anti ADS posting are just ignorant of the facts, which are:

1)ADS is not an "I WIN", in fact the opposite the FSS is FAR MORE "I WIN", because that exactly WHY I LIKE IT!
2)no -one wanting the ADS back wants to get rid of the FSS
3)those wanting the ADS back show a willingness to compromise
4)those not wanting the ADS back show a complete inability to compromise

I'm pro FSS, but understand why others want the ADS and have seen NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to back up those opinions against a compromise other than spitting dummies out and spouting "mommy I don't like the nasty ADS".

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

are you for real?...the ADS is SLOWER and is harder to make money than the new system, so how exactly is bringing the ADS back "no loss and all gain", I'm really aghast.



Actually there's only a few rabidly anti ADSers who show will full ignorance despite being shown facts that prove other wise, the vast majority of the others anti ADS posting are just ignorant of the facts, which are:

1)ADS is not an "I WIN", in fact the opposite the FSS is FAR MORE "I WIN", because that exactly WHY I LIKE IT!
2)no -one wanting the ADS back wants to get rid of the FSS
3)those wanting the ADS back show a willingness to compromise
4)those not wanting the ADS back show a complete inability to compromise

I'm pro FSS, but understand why others want the ADS and have seen NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to back up those opinions against a compromise other than spitting dummies out and spouting "mommy I don't like the nasty ADS".

How about some of us don't think game design should be a 'democracy' because we feel that's how terrible games are made?

Feedback yes, constant demands after the design decision has been made; not so good.

 

[Burke]

They can't, which is a different argument and thread. I and many others ( some top pvp players included ) demanded their auto-conversion and were ignored. The point still stands, FD got it wrong that time by allowing them to remain, that is not a reason for them to make the same judgement again.

And I will always join any crusade to rid ED of unbalanced god-mods but the fight is lost, the advantages remain in game.

Just want a bit of equality for explorers. If they can do it for them they can do it for us. They ignored you once already right?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

are you for real?...the ADS is SLOWER and is harder to make money than the new system, so how exactly is bringing the ADS back "no loss and all gain", I'm really aghast.

Haven't you heard? In the past you pressed the honk and all planets were tagged.

This is the kind of bright lights we're dealing with.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

Just want a bit of equality for explorers. If they can do it for them they can do it for us. They ignored you once already right?

You don't want the results back you want the system back. But I would be happy for that system to reintroduced alongside the old engineering and for good measure I will also have the C6 back they removed from my aspx all those years ago ,FD make it so!