If I wanted a 'radio-tuning' game I would have rather bought an old radio.

[Burke]

You don't want the results back you want the system back

I just want the module. Same thing as the PvPers got. God modding is wrong we all know it, magically disappearing modules from ships all over the galaxy. WTH went wrong with the last patch? Madness i say!

You cant tell me i cant have the harmless little ADS when there are grandfathered mods of any other kind in the game.

 

[Leper Messiah]

How about some of us don't think game design should be a 'democracy' because we feel that's how terrible games are made?

Feedback yes, constant demands after the design decision has been made; not so good.

Because FD set a precedence with mining by KEEPING the old method, also what you're saying is no-one should complain about any game because our opinions don't count? we should just let the devs make mistakes? Because Devs DO make mistakes. I mean come on. And the pro ADS are not DEMANDING, most seem willing to compromise, the only DEMANDING I see is those DEMANDING the ADS stays gone for good.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Haven't you heard? In the past you pressed the honk and all planets were tagged.

This is the kind of bright lights we're dealing with.

I'm truly dismayed by the Anti ADSers, and I've argued in threads about Project Cars and No Mans Sky.....actually the NMS stuff was worse because of death threats to Sean! some gamers are just halfwits of the highest order!

 

[sollisb]

Lets be very clear about something here. FDev stated God Rolls were 'working as intended' for nigh on a year.

They only got off their bottom and fixed it when it became public knowledge how to get them.

back OT; meh, it goes over most peoples head here that; A; It's easy to make credit by mining. B; Exploration Elite rank is possible in a weekend without ever using ADS/FSS. C; Playing whack-a-mole does not infer god like status on you.

 

[Ziljan]

Because FD set a precedence with mining by KEEPING the old method, also what you're saying is no-one should complain about any game because our opinions don't count? we should just let the devs make mistakes? Because Devs DO make mistakes. I mean come on. And the pro ADS are not DEMANDING, most seem willing to compromise, the only DEMANDING I see is those DEMANDING the ADS stays gone for good.

Apples and oranges. The old school mining was a nearly fleshed out mechanic with 5 different kinds of modules, resource management, and defensive capabilities. The ADS just required you have a have at least one working finger-like appendage to mash a button once every 10 to 20 minutes.

The old school mining also left plenty of room for expansion and improvements. Whereas the infinite range all seeing ADS left no room for discovery mechanics, only secondary scanning (ie collection). Leaving no room meant that the either the ADS had to be nerfed, removed, or Frontier would have to give up on Planetary discovery mechanics, hence leaving half the potential space based exploration mechanics rotting on the floor.

Happily, they did not opt to waste their existing assets on a brain dead place holder.

 

[Stigbob]

Lets be very clear about something here. FDev stated God Rolls were 'working as intended' for nigh on a year.

They only got off their bottom and fixed it when it became public knowledge how to get them.

back OT; meh, it goes over most peoples head here that; A; It's easy to make credit by mining. B; Exploration Elite rank is possible in a weekend without ever using ADS/FSS. C; Playing whack-a-mole does not infer god like status on you.

No you are confusing Harry's legit guns that he ground for (probably madly but fairly) with the 5-1 engineering exploit which a couple of groups kept to themselves for a year.

If he'd cheated to get them they'd have been taken away. The fact he still has them shows the two are unrelated.

 

[Burke]

Apples and oranges. The old school mining was a nearly fleshed out mechanic with 5 different kinds of modules, resource management, and defensive capabilities. The ADS just required you have a have at least one working finger-like appendage to mash a button once every 10 to 20 minutes.

A fairer comparason would be mining to exploration, that infact takes lots of modules aswell. Maybe they arnt particulalry interesting but they are required for any serious expedition.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

No you are confusing Harry's legit guns that he ground for (probably madly but fairly) with the 5-1 engineering exploit which a couple of groups kept to themselves for a year.

If he'd cheated to get them they'd have been taken away. The fact he still has them shows the two are unrelated.

Yes but also gonna do a very quick off topic here by saying there was also the huge gray area of the allowed farming methods like the 'crack-train' relogging at downed satellites with a friend in the instance to keep the data or the various other sites that could be relogged at like crazy for mat farming ( crashed 'conda's , dav's hope etc ) which was all hugely 'cheesy' if not a actual exploit.

 

[Stigbob]

Yes but also gonna do a very quick off topic here by saying there was also the huge gray area of the allowed farming methods like the 'crack-train' relogging at downed satellites with a friend in the instance to keep the data or the various other sites that could be relogged at like crazy for mat farming ( crashed 'conda's , dav's hope etc ) which was all hugely 'cheesy' if not a actual exploit.

There's always been grindy exploits for those who want them, still are.

 

[M00ka]

are you for real?...the ADS is SLOWER and is harder to make money than the new system, so how exactly is bringing the ADS back "no loss and all gain", I'm really aghast.



Actually there's only a few rabidly anti ADSers who show will full ignorance despite being shown facts that prove other wise, the vast majority of the others anti ADS posting are just ignorant of the facts, which are:

1)ADS is not an "I WIN", in fact the opposite the FSS is FAR MORE "I WIN", because that exactly WHY I LIKE IT!
2)no -one wanting the ADS back wants to get rid of the FSS
3)those wanting the ADS back show a willingness to compromise
4)those not wanting the ADS back show a complete inability to compromise

I'm pro FSS, but understand why others want the ADS and have seen NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to back up those opinions against a compromise other than spitting dummies out and spouting "mommy I don't like the nasty ADS".

Dear Mr Messiah, please indicate where I was talking about money (I surmise you are talking credits here, not real money). Alas I used the term 'systems' which you immediately assumed (badly in this case) that I am talking about a collection of celestial bodies contained in some orbital plane. I was talking about systems as a collection of processes, ie, the ADS/DSS system or methodology. As for your ascertain that it is only the 'anti-ADS' that are driving the discussion, I humbly suggest that you actually read all the posts in this thread, which was started by a Pro ADS proponent, I would say the posts have been at least 50/50 in for and against and the has been hyperbole on both sides of the argument. Yes as you have just shown, if anyone has the audacity to suggest they like the new system a rebuttal like yours is sure to follow. Maybe I should start calling you and the others that want the various comprises (and I quote) 'full ignorance' and 'ignorant of the facts', but that would be low wouldn't it......

 

[sollisb]

Dear Mr Messiah, please indicate where I was talking about money (I surmise you are talking credits here, not real money). Alas I used the term 'systems' which you immediately assumed (badly in this case) that I am talking about a collection of celestial bodies contained in some orbital plane. I was talking about systems as a collection of processes, ie, the ADS/DSS system or methodology. As for your ascertain that it is only the 'anti-ADS' that are driving the discussion, I humbly suggest that you actually read all the posts in this thread, which was started by a Pro ADS proponent, I would say the posts have been at least 50/50 in for and against and the has been hyperbole on both sides of the argument. Yes as you have just shown, if anyone has the audacity to suggest they like the new system a rebuttal like yours is sure to follow. Maybe I should start calling you and the others that want the various comprises (and I quote) 'full ignorance' and 'ignorant of the facts', but that would be low wouldn't it......

As for the rest of your tirade, we can agree to disagree. But you now have the support of the c

Long live the 'c' !

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

Long live the 'c' !

Are you allowed to say that? I thought the 'c' word was banned.

*gets coat*

 

[M00ka]

Long live the 'c' !

Yeah don't know what happened there but an entire paragraph was mission, not that it matters as some would have mis-read it anyway

 

[Old Duck]

some gamers are just halfwits of the highest order!

I'm a fullwit. In fact, my wit overflows. It's spilling all over the desk as I type this. I better go get a towel before it runs onto the floor!

 

[M00ka]

I'm a fullwit. In fact, my wit overflows. It's spilling all over the desk as I type this. I better go get a towel before it runs onto the floor!

Be careful Old Duck, I hear that spilt wit can even make keyboards stickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

 

[JustJon]

I think that's a good question and makes me realize that the unlimited range is the main problem I have with the ADS. I also don't like it about the FSS. But if we MUST have an exploration scanner with unlimited range I would much rather take the new one with some semblance of gameplay instead of the old mega honk, effectively being the most simple and primitive way to implement body discovery within a system that FD could come up with.

Thing is - right now we can detect planets around distant stars - so it really should not be a surprise that in 1000 years time we are able to quickly resolve all bodies with 1 light year of the main stellar body.

Which the ADS used to and the FSS now does.

For me back in the day you could honk and get all excited that there was an ELW with rings - and then get all upset because it orbited a secondary star which was 200,000 ls away.

So with the FSS we no longer need to do the trip - unless we really really want to...

This you could argue is not 'better' as a game mechanic but it is a lot more realistic.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Hops into a system, scans an ELW 500,000 ls away, hops to the next system.

Exploration baby yeah!

 

[JustJon]

Hops into a system, scans an ELW 500,000 ls away, hops to the next system.

Exploration baby yeah!

In 3300

1000 years earlier we were doing it from the comfort of our own little planet.

 

[CMDR Carbo]

Hops into a system, scans an ELW 500,000 ls away, hops to the next system.

Exploration baby yeah!

Hops into a system, presses a button, hops to the next system, presses a button, hops to the next system, presses a button, hops to the next system, presses a button,hops to the next system, presses a button, hops to the next system, presses a button, hops to the next system, presses a button, hops to the next system, presses a button,hops to the next system, presses a button,hops to the next system, presses a button....

Exploration baby, yeah!

 

[askavir]

In 3300

1000 years earlier we were doing it from the comfort of our own little planet.

Not really. We have only identified a tiny number of planets outside our solar system. In fact, even in our own solar system, we're still finding planets. 20 years ago we thought there were only 9 planets in our solar system...