In the Beta Spirit...

[MadDogMurdock]

This might blow your mind, but everyone doesn't have an agenda that they seemingly must adhere to, some people are actually having an honest discussion. The fact that you think acknowledging what other players want undermines an argument says a lot.

Querying why someone has apparently contradicted themselves seems perfectly natural to me.
But again, you prefer to make it personal with thinly veiled accusations regarding my integrity.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Your subjective view of their decision is irrelevant. Software companies make decisions that upset one person or another all the time. One person’s bad decision is another person’s good one.

The very software company you claim to work for hacked me off when they removed the fun little “blank slate” manned scenarios from Take On Mars when it hit full release. Do I nag them constantly about it? No. Why? Because it would be immature to do so.

That’s not the company I work for. We don’t make commercial games.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Querying why someone has apparently contradicted themselves seems perfectly natural to me.
But again, you prefer to make it personal with thinly veiled accusations regarding my integrity.

I wasn't contradicting myself. I was pointing out your own hypocrisy.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

I wasn't contradicting myself. I was point out your own hypocrisy.

You weren’t even responding to me in that post, so that doesn’t hold up either.

 

[Skip Rockbounder]

Again, your lack of knowledge of the reasoning does not equate to there not being a reason

As Big Mike said earlier, it’s highly likely that FDev want us to actually work for that coveted system map, rather than getting it for nothing. Until they themselves say otherwise, I think that’s a pretty reasonable conclusion.

It’s their game, and they can do what they like. A handful of malcontents doesn’t make a significant enough financial impact to warrant action. Therefore they have no real reason to go against their own decision.

The system map shouldn't be the 'coverted' reward, it's a tool just as the Orrery, a tool that should be used to explore the system.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Hey do me a favor and look up "burden of proof", and consider which of us made a claim, and which of us challenged it.

Fun fact: it was you making a claim! I hope you learned something today, though I doubt it.

You also made a claim...

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

You weren’t even responding to me in that post, so that doesn’t hold up either.

I didn't need to reply to you to do that. As I said, it was a trap which you fell for, and now you are desperately trying to dig yourself out.

 

[Bryan K]

That’s not the company I work for. We don’t make commercial games.

Ah, my mistake, parent company of your company.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

I didn't need to reply to you to do that. As I said, it was a trap which you fell for, and now you are desperately trying to dig yourself out.

I think we’ve just crossed over to a different genre. FD is officially a fantasy game now!?

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Ah, my mistake, parent company of your company.

Not that either. But again, a needless digression.

 

[Bryan K]

The system map shouldn't be the 'converted' reward, it's a tool just as the Orrery, a tool that should be used to explore the system.

It’s not uncommon to have to work to get maps in games. I’m reminded of the “fog of war” in Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds (and similar games).

 

[Bryan K]

Not that either. But again, a needless digression.

True enough, but my point was that I understand that my voice has no impact on a software company, so I don’t complain, because all that does is generate salt and needless vitriol.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Hey do me a favor and look up "burden of proof", and consider which of us made a claim, and which of us challenged it.

Fun fact: it was you making a claim! I hope you learned something today, though I doubt it.

FD’s one and only reponse on this topic:

Could Frontier please demonstrate how to use the FSS enjoyably?

As I said, if the FSS is exploring according to you guys while standing still so is the ADS. I don't think anybody claimed that using the ADS was exploring. It was a tool that facilitated exploration.

forums.frontier.co.uk

Not that you deserve a response.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I think we’ve just crossed over to a different genre. FD is officially a fantasy game now!?

Nah, that's just in your mind.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Nah, that's just in your mind.

Again with the ad hominems. It’s an established pattern that gets these threads shut down.

 

[Ezren]

The system map shouldn't be the 'converted' reward, it's a tool just as the Orrery, a tool that should be used to explore the system.

Having a system map runs specifically contrary to the very idea of this.

"I'm off to explore the unknown! Oops, I almost forgot my detailed map of the unknown."

 

[MadDogMurdock]

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Having a system map runs specifically contrary to the very idea of this.

"I'm off to explore the unknown! Oops, I almost forgot my detailed map of the unknown."

Except it isn’t detailed - you guys keep forgetting what the ADS honk got you, and that DSS scanning was required to get the detail.

That actually did involve travelling, which was apparently the unnecessary part that drove the FSS approach.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Again with the ad hominems. It’s an established pattern that gets these threads shut down.

Erm, I'm not sure you know what ad hominem means.

 

[Bryan K]

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Having a system map runs specifically contrary to the very idea of this.

"I'm off to explore the unknown! Oops, I almost forgot my detailed map of the unknown."

I think you’ve hit upon something there.

When I explore now, it exciting because I have no quick guide to what’s in a system. I actually have to search for signals and work out the arrangement of the system. It’s more engaging and more “explore-y”, for lack of a better word.

If there was a device that circumvented this, it would seem very inconsistent. It really makes more sense to me for it to be one or the other.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Erm, I'm not sure you know what ad hominem means.

Yup I do. You said it was in my mind - attacking the poster, not the argument. Weak sauce.