Inner Moons List

[Shnyrik]

Any insights on that issue?

That is, actually, not an issue. In the OP I quoted QA-Jack about such rings ("this looks to be working as intended")

A few pages ago I tried to look carefully on that "issue". And it looks, that there is a critical density: all invisible rings have density of less than 46 tons of material per cubic kilometer, while the visible ones tend to have density of more than 46. So, by just looking at the EDSM data you can tell large rings that are definitely visible, from the ones, that may be invisible.

However not all rings with density of less than 46 are invisible. For instance, the overall density of the outer ring of Cúpla Iontach or the Poseidon's Fury is very low, but the material is condensed in a collection of several thin dense and visible separate rings.

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Dense rings on the other hand seem to be more often rendered as one piece like in Wepae AA-A h22 (there are a few exceptions as usual ).

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As for not being able to hit the invisible ring in SC, there are some reports of being pulled out of SC in the middle of nowhere while flying through such rings, and I myself was pulled once. However you usually can fly through the space where the ring is supposed to be without any risk.

There is a moment: I once met a planet with a very interesting ring:

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The most interesting about it was, that both thin concentric rings actually counted as one:

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And that allowed me to make an experiment: I flew through the gap in SC, and despite the fact, that the map showed a single ring from 8,6 to 22 Kkm, I was not pulled out of SC.

And that actually means, that invisible rings may not be physically unexistent. If they consist of several thinner concentric invisible sub-rings with gaps between, the fact of not being pulled out of SC may actually mean that we just missed one of those thin sub-rings.

 

[Erratic Spawn]

Thanks, really appreciate the detailed answer. So basically the Orrery screenshot is the evidence in these case. I am still on the Pegasus Run 3305 expedition, but once I am done (in a few months!) I am happy to share my findings re Inner Rings / Shepherd Moons here in this thread.

 

[space voyager]

Do shepherd moons count if the outer ring is invisible? I already found one like that before, but now I've stumbled upon a gas giant with four! shepherd moons (kudos to Elite Observatory), yet I can't locate the third ring...

 

[Shnyrik]

Do shepherd moons count if the outer ring is invisible?

Well, they definitely do count as shepherd moons, since they are between rings. And I still try to add them to the google-table in the OP just to make sure I was right about 46-ton density limit for invisible rings. But, of course, they don't provide us with awesome screenshots

 

[Shnyrik]

In the meanwhile, carrying some presents to Colonia, I've bumped into one more sparse icy ring with moons inside it in Traikea GH-X b29-0 near body #2.

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[Klepto]

Got a nice system today (Phroi Flyuae IC-S d5-3968, views from A 2 c moon). One of the moons orbiting gas giant has an a orbit with high inclination. A good view of the rings from there. There are two other moons inside the rings.

 

[Shnyrik]

Screenshots didn't really work out because the outer ring is very faint

Sorry, "very faint" means it is still visible?

 

[Zieman]

Q: How do I target an outer ring with the DSS?

You don't.
If you're lucky, you can get the DSS to show "Ring" to that outer ring too (haven't seen that happen so far).
Normally, you target the parent body or the closest shepherd moon & spam probes, with luck one will hit & scan that ring, usually not.
Edit: just happened to find a moon orbiting close by a ring, targetted the moon & lo and behold! got that "Ring" to show = managed to scan the parent body's ring by having the moon targetted.

 

[Shnyrik]

How do I target an outer ring with the DSS?

Usually it is too far to be targeted.

 

[Shnyrik]

In the meanwhile cmdr. Erratic Spawn reports a system with two nice-looking gas giants with large rings and shepherd moons in them on the far end of the Galaxy: Hypuehu IT-U c5-3. bodies #A 5 and #A 6.

I'd like to note that #A 6 has a rather dense ring (76,6 tons per cubic km) and it is rendered as a large dense ring.

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While #A 5 has low density ring (0,23 tons per cubic km) and it is rendered as a set of concentric rings.

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[Erratic Spawn]

In the meanwhile cmdr. Erratic Spawn reports a system with two nice-looking gas giants with large rings and shepherd moons in them on the far end of the Galaxy: Hypuehu IT-U c5-3. bodies #A 5 and #A 6.

I'd like to note that #A 6 has a rather dense ring (76,6 tons per cubic km) and it is rendered as a large dense ring.

Thanks @Shnyrik . For completeness here the Orrery views of both scrolled down such that the ring details can be seen.

 

[Shnyrik]

In the meanwhile visited the only known ringed F-class star in Dryoea Flyoo AA-A h553. It turned out to be unspectacular, however the second star in the system (ringed K-class) turned out to have two moons inside it's inner ring. Unfortunately the absence of main light source makes rings barely visible. To be honest I'm not 100% sure that what I've marked on the screenshot is not an artifact. However I've managed to hit it is SC

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[Erratic Spawn]

Three shepherd moons, the inner two a close pair in tidal lock. Fun facts:

• It's the first time (at least as far as I remember) that I could see the ring gap in the FSS preview (see image)
• EDObservatory was not able to identify the inner pair as shepherd moons, only the third one. My assumption is that this is related to the fact that such pairs also do not have an orbit line (perhaps that means that no value for the distance is written to the journal). In this case, no problem, but that could mean a miss if only such a close pair is present.
• In this particular case there is a fourth moon with a tilted orbit (see image), which provides for a great view. It WAS rather close to the ring plane when I found the system, but the shot I took was still nice (see image). I assume you could get almost a top down view once it is further away.
• All four moons were landable, unfortunately none of them had volcanic activity

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[Anticon]

I submit Outott RW-L c8-1 4, a Class I GG with 3 shepherd moons

only just discovered, not yet in via EDD. Thanks to Elite Observatory - fantastic tool!

 

[Babaa Yaga]

Here is one...Yepooe TF-E D12-8...15.9 Mil KM rings on this one...

 

[Shnyrik]

There is actually 4 moons between the inner and outer ring. 15.9 Mil KM rings on this one...

I might be missing something, but the only body with 4 moons I see in EDSM is brown dwarf #2, and it's ring is only 642410 Km wide.

 

[Babaa Yaga]

I might be missing something, but the only body with 4 moons I see in EDSM is brown dwarf #2, and it's ring is only 642410 Km wide.

Thanks for the catch...I was looking at the wrong one when I did the OP.

 

[Shnyrik]

And a nice one by cmdr. Vaaly: Hegu NO-Z d13-10 body #5, a class II gas giant with two shepherd moons.

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[varonica]

I haven't been submitting all of mine, however here is a system with 5 shepherd moons, the outer ring was huge and invisible unfortunately;

 

[Shnyrik]

And one more, tnx. to cmdr Vaaly: Hypio Phoea OA-L d9-28 body #6

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