Interdiction Dodgers
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As I've said in other threads, there are some types who'll only be happy when Frontier implements an instant on/off flag for PVP, along with the ability to restrict what types of ships are allowed to attack you.
Even then, they'll aggressor pilots to be forced to pay a 1bil credit fine on first shot.
Frontier could really steal a page from Eve on this one. You get aggressed, 15 minute timer on ship disappearing. The more I see people pulling logoffskis, the more justified I feel in blowing out engines, popping the canopy, and sitting back blinking my headlights every second.
Even then, they'll aggressor pilots to be forced to pay a 1bil credit fine on first shot.
Frontier could really steal a page from Eve on this one. You get aggressed, 15 minute timer on ship disappearing. The more I see people pulling logoffskis, the more justified I feel in blowing out engines, popping the canopy, and sitting back blinking my headlights every second.
I think it would be quite reasonable for bounties for murder or piracy to remain until that CMDR is killed. I was stunned when I say the such bounties could so easily be paid off. I had incorrectly assumed that killers would have to live in anarchy systems
As far as "no jurisdiction" Well in many cases maybe but we have many different governments (in the real world) and they often cooperate on wanted criminal extradition etc.
Snakebite
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Of course it could work, there is no reason why it can't
good point, but the status should certainly stick at the local system and at nearby systems of the same faction. As a real life example, if I murder someone in say Manchester then I am not in the clear simply by moving to cardiff, I *may* be in the clear if I move to say cape town but then we do have interpol, I guess in the year 3200 something similar would exist. the crime should stick certainly more than going to the nearest station and paying a fine.
What a stupid statement, of course there should be a penalty for killing an innocent, even in the elite dangerous universe it is still a crime !
No its not all fair game.... Killing a Pirate with a price on his head is fair game.... Killing an innocent trader is a crime akin to murder and the penalty as such should be severe....
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Snakebite
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That would be better than what we have now but the immersion would be broken for the interdicting players, so I still prefer the idea of letting an AI take control of the players ship so that the combat can actually take place, of course the interdicting player would be unaware of what was happening and carry on his game in blissfull immersion....
I understand your pain there snakebite, cant help much as I play in mobius but I will add I have had many npc interdictions ending in nowshows by the interdicter, and I also find an interdiction often starts as I am spooling to go to another system after the countdown when the controls are locked, nearly 1 out of 4 or 5 jumps animations start with the noise/animation of an interdicition attempt, is it possible this is happening in open with human players
The bounty should be higher imo. Maybe even scale with ship value, so killing a hauler filled with gold would be a much higher bounty than an empty hauler. It would make people think twice about killing others, and make pirating more fun.
Another way would be to make it so you can not simply pay your bounty straight away after killing someone, make it so you have like a 24 hour period where you are forced to stay wanted.
Another way would be to make it so you can not simply pay your bounty straight away after killing someone, make it so you have like a 24 hour period where you are forced to stay wanted.
Firstly, to the OP, this probably is the other side of the problem noted by many players; that of being interdicted into an empty instance.
Today, I was interdicted 5 times in as many minutes... 4 times into an empty space. The 5th time was a nicy juicy NPC Anaconda, which thankfully, didn't jump away and allowed me to kill him.
However, as we have some PvP advocates on this thread, I will ask the question...
What do you get out of it?
That is to say, the murder of inocents? (Non wanted status. No Cargo)
I'm happy to be pulled out of SC by another player for a sporting joust in my Viper.
I'll fight anything up to an Asp and hope to give a decent account of myself.
But where's the joy in sitting in a fully kitted, max shield, super turbo Python, and just targetting other players in lesser ships for fun?
The one time I survived the first pass and still had control of my Viper, I turned and put up a fight. As soon as his shields were down, the PvP CMDR turned and ran. (You know who you are you cowardly POS)
Seriously. is PvP for sport? or just because you had some deep seated problems IRL, and like squishing bugs.
I'm interested to hear what you say, because while I like a fair joust as much as anyone, this super powered ship thing is happening more and more, and is likely to drive me into solo, which I dont want to do.
Today, I was interdicted 5 times in as many minutes... 4 times into an empty space. The 5th time was a nicy juicy NPC Anaconda, which thankfully, didn't jump away and allowed me to kill him.
However, as we have some PvP advocates on this thread, I will ask the question...
What do you get out of it?
That is to say, the murder of inocents? (Non wanted status. No Cargo)
I'm happy to be pulled out of SC by another player for a sporting joust in my Viper.
I'll fight anything up to an Asp and hope to give a decent account of myself.
But where's the joy in sitting in a fully kitted, max shield, super turbo Python, and just targetting other players in lesser ships for fun?
The one time I survived the first pass and still had control of my Viper, I turned and put up a fight. As soon as his shields were down, the PvP CMDR turned and ran. (You know who you are you cowardly POS)
Seriously. is PvP for sport? or just because you had some deep seated problems IRL, and like squishing bugs.
I'm interested to hear what you say, because while I like a fair joust as much as anyone, this super powered ship thing is happening more and more, and is likely to drive me into solo, which I dont want to do.
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Snakebite
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I dont think 24hrs is nearly enough, it should be at least a few weeks at the current system but deteriorate quick the further away from the scene of the crime. I think it worked something like that in Ooelite
Open up Notepad and type in your standard opening line, copy it to the clipboard. Then you can use CTRL-V or SHIFT-INSERT in the comms box to quickly send the message.
Not been interdicted by a player yet. If I do have the pleasure then I would go through my usual routine of submitting immediately, assess the situation, then respond accordingly. Either fight or flight. If I do run away then upon going into SC I will immediately drop out (should be about 50km away from the original position) and stick in normal space for about 3 minutes. Interdictor can't find me becomes bored and moves on.
I wonder where players get the idea that in Open you have to be willing to fight. The Boss says that the design of the game is supposed to discourage PvP murder, but it doesn't. There is a crazy notion that it's one player's 'right' to snag you and blow you out of the sky without provocation. Where does that come from? Their minds. Not the game.
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To my knowledge there is no basis for this uncooperative outlook. None of the previous Elite's allowed for PvP murder. If FD are to sort anything out, it should be the penalty for murder. All they have to do is make it reflect the crime. Like the bounty equals the victims insurance deductible (as mentioned above) and/or make bounties stick until the murderer get's bumped off.
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Pirates have a couple of tools they ignore. Pirates should have to use a Limpet, or shoot out the Cargo Ship to get loot. Not just demand loot or destroy their opponent. Traders should have to protect themselves too. It's ridiculous to believe you should be ok to fly with no defenses in open space. Ridiculous notions like these stem from people feeling entitled to a certain style of gameplay. Pirates don't have the 'right' to murder, because they can, ands Traders don't have the right to go around risk free.
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To my knowledge there is no basis for this uncooperative outlook. None of the previous Elite's allowed for PvP murder. If FD are to sort anything out, it should be the penalty for murder. All they have to do is make it reflect the crime. Like the bounty equals the victims insurance deductible (as mentioned above) and/or make bounties stick until the murderer get's bumped off.
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Pirates have a couple of tools they ignore. Pirates should have to use a Limpet, or shoot out the Cargo Ship to get loot. Not just demand loot or destroy their opponent. Traders should have to protect themselves too. It's ridiculous to believe you should be ok to fly with no defenses in open space. Ridiculous notions like these stem from people feeling entitled to a certain style of gameplay. Pirates don't have the 'right' to murder, because they can, ands Traders don't have the right to go around risk free.
You don't have to 'pull the plug' to evade interdiction. If you see a contact slotting in behind you in SC you just need to weave, drop speed, and drop out of SC. Now you might not like that I do that, but its a perfectly valid tactic.
On a related theme: are players able to attack in groups now?
I submitted to my (first) human interdiction today, as I was 100% sure I could take him/her. Cue some combat where s/he was down to 32% hull with my shields still up. I then note a hostile signature directly behind me, also player. It flapped me a bit, and I stupidly broke off to engage - it was a much tougher cookie and while I tried to bail, they finished me off. They were both attacking me, and both were "wanted".
Is this common under player interdictions? Whats the mechanism? Do we emit an "USS" when we drop out of SC? Perhaps you get a minnow to try the interdiction, and follow it from afar. Once they drop into normal space, you home in on the USS and head into the fray? How else could two humans (at this stage) gang up in this way?
I submitted to my (first) human interdiction today, as I was 100% sure I could take him/her. Cue some combat where s/he was down to 32% hull with my shields still up. I then note a hostile signature directly behind me, also player. It flapped me a bit, and I stupidly broke off to engage - it was a much tougher cookie and while I tried to bail, they finished me off. They were both attacking me, and both were "wanted".
Is this common under player interdictions? Whats the mechanism? Do we emit an "USS" when we drop out of SC? Perhaps you get a minnow to try the interdiction, and follow it from afar. Once they drop into normal space, you home in on the USS and head into the fray? How else could two humans (at this stage) gang up in this way?
The other one was probably parked up close to the star so you didn't see them. They then targetted the low intensity wake left behind when you drop into regular space and homed in on that.
Never mind the AI taking over. The rule should be as follows. Any disconnect results in players avatar remaining on screen for 30 seconds. Any quit/disconnect during an Interdiction, then it remains for one minute. Any disconnection during a plain old hyperspace jump is an instant disconnection. Any 'damage' visited upon the ghost avatar in this time is saved to server and applied to player profile next time he logs on. Should a genuine disconnect occur during a critical moment, then tough cookies. It happens in online gaming.
I play Pro Evo, and admit to rage quiting often and the game punishes (or attempts to) the person who quits, and rightly so. Sometimes though, I get a real disconnection, and I get punished as though I rage quit, even though I was winning game 3-0 with 10 minutes to go. It's a hard life living in a rich western economy and being subjected to all the vagaries of online gaming.
FD really need to something to address this issue, or this game is going to suck hard, very soon. This is more pressing even than implementing some kind of queue system for docking at small stations (how did this Docking Request Denied *100 even make it into the full release version!??)
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I have noticed that if I reverse throttle immediately someone starts to interdict me, then this sometimes happens. It is less likely if I wait a few seconds.
You should consider internet networking issues at play, if you watch the various pirate streamers they just dont have the issue of 4 in 5 dropping out during interdiction. It just doesn't happen, so you either have been really really unlucky or it's a network issue that you'll have to wait for improvement from FD for.
I'm not sure what you people think will happen if you increase bounties or make them "unpayable".
In what way do you expect this will change the behaviour of players who like to murder other players?
What will actually happen is that they get a bounty, then sooner or later a bounty hunter shows up and kills them, once.
Then they buy their ship back at 10% cost and continue on their merry rampage.
It is a simple fact that if you allow the killing of other players in a game, people will kill each other. A bounty system has never worked in any game to discourage pvp.
Fortunately, ED has a softening mechanic, called Solo play, for those for whom a total free for all is too much.
Not that I'm against higher and more frequent bounties. Would make the grind for credits all the more bearable.
In what way do you expect this will change the behaviour of players who like to murder other players?
What will actually happen is that they get a bounty, then sooner or later a bounty hunter shows up and kills them, once.
Then they buy their ship back at 10% cost and continue on their merry rampage.
It is a simple fact that if you allow the killing of other players in a game, people will kill each other. A bounty system has never worked in any game to discourage pvp.
Fortunately, ED has a softening mechanic, called Solo play, for those for whom a total free for all is too much.
Not that I'm against higher and more frequent bounties. Would make the grind for credits all the more bearable.
Other people can enter an interdiction instance by dropping out at the FSD wake left behind by the ships exiting supercruise. This has been possible for a while already. On the flipside it means it's possible for groups of players to escort each other for protection against pirates. It's kind of difficult to pull off and not entirely reliable due to flaky networking, but it can be done.
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