Introducing AID - the Anti Interdiction Device
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No thank you.
Want to not be interdicted?
Don't take missions that are going to interdict you.
Where did all the people who want to take the teeth out of the game come from?
Nah... let's see things from a different point of view:
Supercruise jousting: when you fly around a pretty girl like me at the bar.
Interdiction: when you approach such pretty girl asking stupid things like "how's the weather outside?"
Hatch breaker: when you finally gets closer and say to the girl "can I offer you a drink?"
Being robbed: when girl orders another drink and leaves you at the bar to pay the bill.
☠ YARRR ('cuz a pirate always needs to YARRR somewhere)
Supercruise jousting: when you fly around a pretty girl like me at the bar.
Interdiction: when you approach such pretty girl asking stupid things like "how's the weather outside?"
Hatch breaker: when you finally gets closer and say to the girl "can I offer you a drink?"
Being robbed: when girl orders another drink and leaves you at the bar to pay the bill.
☠ YARRR ('cuz a pirate always needs to YARRR somewhere)
Yeah, in a t9 i escape being interdicted 100% of the time.
I wish i never read the best way was to submit then low wake, because it isn't.
This AID is good against gankers, but too harsh against pirates. I'd rather block gankers and friend request the pirate, i like pirates who actually pirate you!
This suggestion would be silly, regardless of mode.
The challenge in getting interdicted by?
Oh I know this one! Finding someone in a Corvette that is silly enough to think they can catch any of these ships with it. Unless it's the target of an assassination mission, these are as rare as hen's teeth.
Nothing entitles any player to bypass fundamental aspects of the game, like their CMDR being susceptible to interdiction or attack.
Only if the target is an NPC.
This is total nonsense.
I can have my CMDR tool around in open, hopping from player populated system to player populated system, in a completely unengineered Cobra III and be perfectly fine the overwhelming majority of the time.
The internet, probably. Maybe some woman's vagina. Possibly a Cadbury Creme Egg.
The challenge in getting interdicted by?
Oh I know this one! Finding someone in a Corvette that is silly enough to think they can catch any of these ships with it. Unless it's the target of an assassination mission, these are as rare as hen's teeth.
Nothing entitles any player to bypass fundamental aspects of the game, like their CMDR being susceptible to interdiction or attack.
Only if the target is an NPC.
This is total nonsense.
I can have my CMDR tool around in open, hopping from player populated system to player populated system, in a completely unengineered Cobra III and be perfectly fine the overwhelming majority of the time.
The internet, probably. Maybe some woman's vagina. Possibly a Cadbury Creme Egg.
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I want a module that turns anyone who attacks me into a giant, cuddly space ferret.
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Because that's the only scenario in which you get interdicted in Open...
Dunno. Where do all these people come from who think they are in a position to tell others how they must play the game?
Haha, love that one. Only the analogy isn't perfect. Hatch breaker would be slipping the pretty girl a roofie when she accepts the drink. Being robbed is her waking up a few hours later with a fuzzy memory and lots of regret. Adding insult to injury is when everybody then tells her to git gud, or to stop going to a bar and rather drink at home alone when she can't take the heat.
True that! But I've given up all hope that FDev will ever do something against gankers. Engineers made PvP combat impossible (or at least removed all the fun), unless you are ready to spend an insane amount of time to push the engineering envelope. So basically, Engineers was a huge gift to gankers.
True piracy would be a great thing, and I've suggested adjustments to crime&punishment before that would punish gankers while encouraging a legitimate piracy play style. Won't happen, though.
Honest question - how often do you encounter pirates that actually pirate you?
Who defines what makes an aspect of the game fundamental?
What if mining or powerplay would be declared fundamental parts of the game?
So these people are just a bunch of forum jokesters who don't exist in the game, you say?
Newcomer / Intro - Bitter veteran looking for new ganking hotspot
I'm bitter and vindictive about this game for honestly no real reason but I still want to gank new players because it's one of the only things that give my shriveled heart any joy. I just swung by Eravate and there was no one there. Where do all the lowbies hang out now?
We have one, its called evasive piloting
You can either have piloting skills to avoid or deal with that, or get blown up. I couldnt care less if its not someones "playstyle", the game was desgined with conflict being a central mechanic, just like in every elite game.
Ive used both a cobra and a python to take on the anaconda/Corvette/cutter ships in pvp and won so your statement doesn't really hold much weight in that regard. Infact smaller ships are used more often than the larger ones cause the larger ones make such an easy target.
Also its easier to avoid interdiction in the smaller ships than it is in the bigger ones.
I'm up to around 30% not losing now, and I don't have many opportunities to practice. Just like with any other activity, beside mining, git gud at it.
And to op: no
What you describe is CQC. If the rest of the game was also just about "blow others up or get blown up", then why are all other features even there? Mining, exploration, trading, BGS... why bother, if the game is just about "git gud or git blown up"?
And once again, it's not like anything would be taken away from you. You can still maintain your preferred playstyle. Your current targets will still be there. The only thing that changes affects people whom you currently won't see, anyway.
And it's nice that you couldn't care less what others think. I'm sure the others will return the favor.
Makes me wonder why you are still here then, though. You made your point. You're not interested in a discussion. So what are you hoping for here?
Of course it's possible to blow up a big ship with a Cobra. If the Cobra is properly engineered, and the CMDR in the big ship has no idea what they are doing (and probably shouldn't be in a big ship to begin with).
But guess what - you'd still be able to do that! Because that clueless guy in the big ship would still be there, and would still be clueless. So nothing would even change for you.
The whole idea is to rebalance risk and reward. Especially when coupled with the ideas Jmanis added on page 2.
Want to increase your chances to avoid interdictions? Install AID modules to your optional compartments. The bigger, the better the chances the attacker won't be able to successfully interdict you. But also: the bigger, the more cargo capacity and jump range you have to sacrifice.
Want to increase your changes to perform interdictions? Install FSD Interdictors to your hardpoints. The bigger, the better your chances that you can successfully override your target's AID modules. But also: the bigger, the more combat firepower you have to sacrifice.
sigh
Frontier.
The game features combat quite prominently, by design. Actively engaging in combat can be avoided, but one cannot categorically avoid interdiction except by avoiding populated space. Even if you stay out of Open, even if you refrain from taking any missions, even if your CMDR never carries cargo and never becomes wanted, chances are you'll hit a navy patrol or the like, sooner or later.
They are, and their effects cannot be avoided, even if one chooses to have their CMDR's refrain from such activities.
I can ignore PP, but I cannot prevent my CMDR from being subject to the effects of a power's influence on a system if he engages in any area where they'd apply.
I can ignore mining, but I cannot avoid the impact mining has on BGS transactions/states, certain commodity prices, system traffic, or money supply.
I can ignore interdictions, but that probably isn't going to be the best way to avoid the consequences of being interdicted.
No, that's not what I said.
Encountering such CMDRs is both less common than you imply, and less of a threat. My CMDR does not need a fully Engineered high-end vessel to survive the fifteen seconds he needs to disengage from a hostile encounter.
This was possible before engineers were a thing too by the way you could easily take on a big ship in a small ship without any engineering at all. of which i've also done it before engineers came around. And guess what? unengineered cobras can still be dangerous because they are basicaly early hull tanks that are also make very effective bombers/dog fighters.
Your AID module just wants to remove risk entirely which isnt going to happen. this is Elite DANGEROUS not Elite happy animal crossing
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Exactly. And they are well advised to make game design decisions that will encourage more people to participate in the game, instead of driving them away.
Quite a few recent design decisions suggest that they are aware of, and actively address that issue. This was just another suggestion aiming in that direction. At the end of the day, it will be up to them to decide which way to go. Not that I post any of my ideas with the expectation that they'd be picked up. But you never know.
The last thing I'd want is to remove combat. But as you said, there already is an easy option to avoid at least PvP combat. Unfortunately, that option turns you invisible to the MMO world. My main idea was to restore that visibility, while retaining the option.
Offering a full protection against PvE interdictions may indeed take things a step too far, I'll give you that. The stuff Jmanis suggested might actually work
a lot better.
I agree to everything you say here. But ignoring mining or PP will have little to no noticeable consequences on your CMDR. Combat, especially PvP combat, does, and very much so.
Indeed, it's not. I hate it when people play the "so you say that..." game with me, so I shouldn't have played it with you either. Sorry!
It can be a pretty common occurence, depending on time of day IRL, and in-game location. And it's annoying as hell, as it serves no lore-apparent purpose. I get it when a pirate interdicts when my ship is loaded to the gills with valuable cargo. But why would anybody attack me when I'm on the way to the workshop? And why wouldn't authorities do anything about it?
Once again, there are good reasons why many other publishers of MMO games take active measures against gankers. That includes combat-oriented MMOs, as long as combat isn't the only purpose to play the game.
It was possible before Engineering, true. But before Engineering, you had a pretty good idea what you ran against (nb: "what", not "whom"). Engineering pretty much killed the PvP part of the game, as far as I am concerned. Yes, the scenario "skilled commander in a small vessel against overwhelmed commander in a large one" can still lead to the same result as before, regardless of the level of engineering on each vessel.
Before Engineering, as a somewhat skilled commander, you could submit to interdictions and see if you stood a chance. With Engineering, you shouldn't even think about it, unless your whole playstyle revolts around Engineering and the related grind for materials.
But this thread is not about how to fix Engineering.
And I do agree - removing the element of risk entirely would go too far. It should be about evaluating how much you are ready to sacrifice in order to reduce the risk - and on the other side, how much sacrifice you are ready to make in order to pose one.
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To be honest i would rather have it set up like eve, remove the current interdiction device all together.
A device that a pirate can deploy in space or activate while out of super cruise that create a bubble around him that scales with the size and grade of module. If any one passes through the bubble while in super cruise they are pulled out and or an interdiction is activated, this device however can not be activated within x amount of LS of the systems star to prevent system camping.
-this device allows pirates to still capture people in interdiction if a player is being careless and jumping from system jump point to station or planent within the system with out first making sure they move themselves out of the shipping lanes first.
Players can equip a utility modules that increase their control of their ship during an interdiction, or reduces the cooldown of the FSD if they fail and interdiction.
- this allows players to sacrifice utility and function in order to reduce the risk of getting stopped.
A device that a pirate can deploy in space or activate while out of super cruise that create a bubble around him that scales with the size and grade of module. If any one passes through the bubble while in super cruise they are pulled out and or an interdiction is activated, this device however can not be activated within x amount of LS of the systems star to prevent system camping.
-this device allows pirates to still capture people in interdiction if a player is being careless and jumping from system jump point to station or planent within the system with out first making sure they move themselves out of the shipping lanes first.
Players can equip a utility modules that increase their control of their ship during an interdiction, or reduces the cooldown of the FSD if they fail and interdiction.
- this allows players to sacrifice utility and function in order to reduce the risk of getting stopped.