Where are the comets? I'd love to see volcanos, lightnings in planet's atmospheres etc.....and caves on surfaces. What about the rings' shadows on planet surfaces?
Is this all we can discover?
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I think we need way more stuff to discover and also more frequent in the galaxy. There are few things and very rare so you only find these once every hundreds jump and then "oh it's you again" so nothing really exciting for explorers... Fdev developed a lot for combat oriented gameplay (guardian modules, engineered weapons and shield, power play specific modules, 6 launched fighters, thargoids, etc..). Exploration instead is still very basic after so many years...
I'm out on DW2, heading east of the 'main-route' to WP11 in 'the veils'.
I've didn't recover anything, no life-forms nor stellar phenomenae, for at least 20000lys
That seems a bit severe. You are Probing I take it? Life forms tend to cluster around nebula but I have picked them up in deep space. Not sure about the rules for NSP but they pop up semi regular for me and the last time I went out was only about 10k from the bubble.
SHADOWS!!!!!
Take a look at the codex dates for the first reported on ANYTHING, and you'll notice that most of them were "discovered" (cough) within a 2 weeks of 3.3 dropping. In EVERY SECTION of the galaxy...
I'm on DW2, and I have not found a single NSP (discovered or otherwise) in any system I've visited unless it was a POI set up by the organizers, nor have I found a single biological POI that hadn't already been discovered by someone else. Except, of course, for the false "First Reported" credits I've gotten for apparently non-existent Anemones
The Codex is a lie.
I'm on DW2, and I have not found a single NSP (discovered or otherwise) in any system I've visited unless it was a POI set up by the organizers, nor have I found a single biological POI that hadn't already been discovered by someone else. Except, of course, for the false "First Reported" credits I've gotten for apparently non-existent Anemones
The Codex is a lie.
Take a look at the codex dates for the first reported on ANYTHING, and you'll notice that most of them were "discovered" (cough) within a 2 weeks of 3.3 dropping. In EVERY SECTION of the galaxy...
I'm on DW2, and I have not found a single NSP (discovered or otherwise) in any system I've visited unless it was a POI set up by the organizers, nor have I found a single biological POI that hadn't already been discovered by someone else. Except, of course, for the false "First Reported" credits I've gotten for apparently non-existent Anemones
The Codex is a lie.
Well, as always, YMMV. But I'm not on a cruise ship route and in about the same length of time I've found 34 bodies with brain trees (most or all unmapped, a few undiscovered) and, last night, an undiscovered Guardian Structure. It's a big place, the Galaxy. You're not going to find everything in every place you look.
I thought the "Rumoured" tab in the Codex was going to be full of things for us to discover. But so far it has nothing.
Well, that was what Frontier have said (in streams): that there will be "breadcrumbs" to lead people to where they might look, in the form of rumours on the Codex. Even if there were any - I didn't see any rumour entries in the Codex some hours after launch - they certainly ran out quick.
They also said they seeded the galaxy with new installations and megaships. It turned out that while there are plenty of new ones of those (and I do like them, they also have some good gameplay there, unlike the new stuff added to NSPs), they're all in the bubble and Colonia. So yeah, it was technically true, but if like me you also expected that there would be new megaships and installations out there to be found deep in the galaxy, it's still a disappointment.
Elite: Disappointment.
Yup, sounds about right.
Yup, sounds about right.
That's something we both agree with, it is now far too easy to find stuff on a planets surface. In my view, the probes should give us search areas and then we have a wave type scanner find large POI's. Have a process involved, but I suspect many will complain that it is a time sink.
With 400 billion system and barely 0.5% of it discovered. I'd suggest to go look, as we probably haven't found everything just yet. Oh, and this isn't NMS to which I'm glad it isn't...o7
Yeah. But it's optional (I don't have to fit a DSS or use the probes) so it's not a big deal for me.
The answer to the question is no. It's not everything, for there are things that are announced to be i nthe game and yet undiscovered.
However, it is most likely all you will discover. First discoveries are mostly being made by players who are either utterly insane, insanely lucky or work in a big team like canon to combine theories and do a wide variety of expeditions. And even then it will always be one player who will discover something first. Traditonally, it's the one who uploads a screenshot first.
That said, I personally don't find enjoyment in spending 99,999% of the time in a vast emptyness in hope to eventually find another type of rock that has no use but hasn't been discovered. If you find enjoyment in that, go find something but if not, I'd strongly recommend not doing it. I am a simple man of rational thinking. If it ain't got a forseeable use, it's not worth it.
However, it is most likely all you will discover. First discoveries are mostly being made by players who are either utterly insane, insanely lucky or work in a big team like canon to combine theories and do a wide variety of expeditions. And even then it will always be one player who will discover something first. Traditonally, it's the one who uploads a screenshot first.
That said, I personally don't find enjoyment in spending 99,999% of the time in a vast emptyness in hope to eventually find another type of rock that has no use but hasn't been discovered. If you find enjoyment in that, go find something but if not, I'd strongly recommend not doing it. I am a simple man of rational thinking. If it ain't got a forseeable use, it's not worth it.
It's been one of my chief complaints from early on. There are 400 billion star systems in this game and 399.99999 billion of them are more or less the same with nothing special about them.
Which is not a good comparison. Real world volcanoes are not only interesting, they are also always unique.
As a concept/idea the new exploration is fantastic. However....after doing 2 months of exploration before DW2 then going on DW2 and exploring one end of the galaxy to the other, a lot of glaring issues have arisen.
1. it is still too difficult to find many things on your own. That is, not going to the codex entries, but actually finding stuff on my own. In all those months I only found 3 noteable stellar phenomenon, all of which was the large metallic crystals in the dark with no clouds. Planetary features were all bark mounds or some geographic ones. When I finally found just one Anemone it said I was first to discover it, only to find out it was a bug and had already been found before, but still didn't register in the codex. I did find one Tuber on my own, which was also bugged and said it was a Roseum variety, but in fact it was the green one. So also bugged and have no way of knowing if I was the first or not (probably wasn't). That was the entirety of my discoveries (apart from planets/stars) in 6 months of daily exploration. That is WAY too low a reward for that much time and effort put into a game. Can I emphasize WAY TOO LOW!
2. The codex entries are a bit too spoilerish. Once someone has discovered something it is no longer a WOW factor any more. It just becomes a tourist spot for others. That is the main issue with the current exploration mechanic of the game. Most explorers are in fact really just tourists visiting these already discovered entries. Not to take away anything form the amazing work that the DW2 organizers made, the entire expedition was really just a tour group visiting some cool tourist spots. That is not the fault of the expedition organisers. It is the fault of the exploration mechanics.
3. The codex should really just keep your own exploration results with maybe faded out (silhouette) of what is still out there. I really don't care what others have found. That is their play through not mine. What should have been put into exploration, is a system that starts to give you a warning that you are near a system that may have something interesting or noteable. It then goes hotter or colder as you get closer or further away. It would add a certain level of immersion because your scanners are too far away to pinpoint but it roughly picks up that something is near. As you get closer it begins to get more accurate in pinpointing the direction the signal is coming from. This would be on a galactic level but limited to a certain Ly radius from your ship (20-40Ly maybe?). Distance/accuracy varies depending on your engineering.
4. How do we know if everything has been found? Because if this is all there is then it is a pitiful update. I have a feeling there is way more out there, but once again (like the old times) we have woefully inadequate tools to find them and no way to measure our success rate and how much has been discovered. maybe that is gamey, but this is supposed to be a game. I think Fdev are fearful of the ultra hardcore group that want everything super hard and super challenging that they neglect the fundamental of any game. Reward the gamer often, provide enough of a challenge without it being too hard or too easy. Fdev often go the too hard route first, often putting off the majority of us "filthy casuals"
I didn't want this to become a rant, but exploration was the number 1 reason I bought Elite back in early 2015. So many years later and it is still nowhere near the potential it could have. I know there will be people who will be extremely upset at what I have written here, but it is something that has to be said for things to improve.
1. it is still too difficult to find many things on your own. That is, not going to the codex entries, but actually finding stuff on my own. In all those months I only found 3 noteable stellar phenomenon, all of which was the large metallic crystals in the dark with no clouds. Planetary features were all bark mounds or some geographic ones. When I finally found just one Anemone it said I was first to discover it, only to find out it was a bug and had already been found before, but still didn't register in the codex. I did find one Tuber on my own, which was also bugged and said it was a Roseum variety, but in fact it was the green one. So also bugged and have no way of knowing if I was the first or not (probably wasn't). That was the entirety of my discoveries (apart from planets/stars) in 6 months of daily exploration. That is WAY too low a reward for that much time and effort put into a game. Can I emphasize WAY TOO LOW!
2. The codex entries are a bit too spoilerish. Once someone has discovered something it is no longer a WOW factor any more. It just becomes a tourist spot for others. That is the main issue with the current exploration mechanic of the game. Most explorers are in fact really just tourists visiting these already discovered entries. Not to take away anything form the amazing work that the DW2 organizers made, the entire expedition was really just a tour group visiting some cool tourist spots. That is not the fault of the expedition organisers. It is the fault of the exploration mechanics.
3. The codex should really just keep your own exploration results with maybe faded out (silhouette) of what is still out there. I really don't care what others have found. That is their play through not mine. What should have been put into exploration, is a system that starts to give you a warning that you are near a system that may have something interesting or noteable. It then goes hotter or colder as you get closer or further away. It would add a certain level of immersion because your scanners are too far away to pinpoint but it roughly picks up that something is near. As you get closer it begins to get more accurate in pinpointing the direction the signal is coming from. This would be on a galactic level but limited to a certain Ly radius from your ship (20-40Ly maybe?). Distance/accuracy varies depending on your engineering.
4. How do we know if everything has been found? Because if this is all there is then it is a pitiful update. I have a feeling there is way more out there, but once again (like the old times) we have woefully inadequate tools to find them and no way to measure our success rate and how much has been discovered. maybe that is gamey, but this is supposed to be a game. I think Fdev are fearful of the ultra hardcore group that want everything super hard and super challenging that they neglect the fundamental of any game. Reward the gamer often, provide enough of a challenge without it being too hard or too easy. Fdev often go the too hard route first, often putting off the majority of us "filthy casuals"
I didn't want this to become a rant, but exploration was the number 1 reason I bought Elite back in early 2015. So many years later and it is still nowhere near the potential it could have. I know there will be people who will be extremely upset at what I have written here, but it is something that has to be said for things to improve.