Issue Tracker: Planetary Tiling

[Zieman]

You are confused by measurement done from the ground VS distance in altitude. Which obviously will lead to a different distance, due to the angle and so on, which would indeed lead to a triangle shaped situation.

Like I said, you're comparing apples and oranges.
On the other hand, you tell you can see details in game x km away, which is a straight line distance shown by the game (as you have targeted the feature).
On the other hand you're showing pictures taken at y km altitude, point of view not straight down but angled, so even if y=x, stuff shown in the pictures is z km away, where z>x.

 

[Erei]

I found some help for people struggling with basic maths.
Me and ship is B, settlement in A. I know the value c because it's the distance calculated on my screen (the distance at the middle of the screen). As you can see, it's a straight line ! Hurray !
Irrelevant, but I also know a (it's the alittude on the right side of the UI).
I don't know b, which is easy to calculate, but it's irrelevant because that'd be the distance between someone standing at C and the settlement at B, and as such, not interesting as per conversation.

You can find some basic help to help you with triangle and stuff there :
https://www.khanacademy.org/math/ge...ios-similarity/a/opposite-adjacent-hypotenuse

 

[Shear]

Would be lovely to hear some sort of announcement on the stuff you are working on instead of this. Other live service games get content roadmaps nowadays. Where is yours?

 

[MartinG]

I found some help for people struggling with basic maths.
Me and ship is B, settlement in A. I know the value c because it's the distance calculated on my screen (the distance at the middle of the screen).

<sigh> Yes but pictures taken from the ISS do not show c for you, and that’s what people are trying to tell you.

 

[Erei]

<sigh> Yes but pictures taken from the ISS do not show c for you, and that’s what people are trying to tell you.

We do when we are standing above the place ? If the subject is at C and ISS is at B, then a is the alitude. It's not exact, but it's close enough when the difference is likely to be a few km and you are standing 408km away anyway.

 

[TheOriginalB]

Would be lovely to hear some sort of announcement on the stuff you are working on instead of this. Other live service games get content roadmaps nowadays. Where is yours?

I think you're starting to see the picture here that they're painting with negative space. They're pulling resources away from console development, but not necessarily assigning them back to Elite. They're giving up on the tiling issue and pulling resources away from that, but not announcing that they're putting them into Elite.
We can start to see what they are saying by eliminating what they aren't. Back at the beginning of the year, after significant silence, we were told to be hyped for Update 11 - which had Fleet Carrier interiors (a feature which should have been available at launch, by the way, since Fleet Carriers were added almost a year before Odyssey came out and were the last major content added.) Since then, we've had no roadmap, no tracker updates, nothing by way of future content, just now two successive "we're cutting this development" communications. Two points makes a trend!

 

[Northpin]

The point is: a settlement seen from 400km should be nothing more than a bright dot with no distinguishable features.
Assuming it's on the night side...

 

[Zieman]

We do when we are standing above the place ? If the subject is at C and ISS is at B, then a is the alitude. It's not exact, but it's close enough when the difference is likely to be a few km and you are standing 408km away anyway.

Take the bottom two ISS pics.
Horizon is about 2290km away.
Don't know the picture angular size, but I'd assume at least 40° from vertical at bottom of image, so the visible area is bound to start at least 500km away.

EDIT corrected a typo: 500, not 600

 

[Erei]

Take the bottom two ISS pics.
Horizon is about 2290km away.
Don't know the picture angular size, but I'd assume at least 40° from vertical at bottom of image, so the visible area is bound to start at least 600km away.

Well then we don't have ANY proper ISS picture, and the only thing we have so far is this comment from an astronaut :

https://twitter.com/x/status/842334874304417792

I'll translate it for you :

From the ISS, neither the Great Wall of China nor the pyramids can be seen with naked eyes.... however with a zoom we can take a picture of them !

Thomas Pesquet is the most experienced European astronaut to this day, and spent roughly 400days in space. According to google.

I don't know about you, but he seems to know his stuff. I mean, more than any of us, unless someone else went aboard of the ISS ? No ?

 

[aRJay]

We do when we are standing above the place ? If the subject is at C and ISS is at B, then a is the alitude. It's not exact, but it's close enough when the difference is likely to be a few km and you are standing 408km away anyway.

I think their point is that most of the ISS pictures in this thread that I have seen are not from vertically above the target so are actually taken along the A-B line or distance c.

Also we don't know whether the camera system and image processing used is showing naked eye resolution or some degree of zooming.

Remember that episode of UFO! Without that sort of information it is difficult to tell an alien planet from a pretty girls leg or a pollen grain from an alien base.

 

[Erei]

I think there point is that most of the ISS pictures in this thread that I have seen are not from vertically above the target so are actually taken along the A-B line or distance c.

Also we don't know whether the camera system and image processing used is showing naked eye resolution or some degree of zooming.

Remember that episode of UFO! Without that sort of information it is difficult to tell an alien planet from a pretty girls leg or a pollen grain from an alien base.

An astronaut tweet was posted earlier, and reposted it above about the pyramid though. The guy spent 400days in space, so he seems very legit.

And funnily enough, the people saying it's not proper proof because of the angle of the pictures, are the same people who posted pictures earlier. But once they were proved to be zoomed picture, they suddenly decided that pictures are not good enough.

Funny, huh ?

 

[Ultra-Chris]

Every time I look at this forum its either bad news or "no comment" from FDEV

This game is well on track to hit the 19th of May with Mostly Negative Steam reviews.

Sad.

 

[Ian Skippy]

An astronaut tweet was posted earlier, and reposted it above about the pyramid though. The guy spent 400days in space, so he seems very legit.

Two astronauts, but you didn't like what one said.

 

[Erei]

Two astronauts, but you didn't like what one said.

Say the guy who posted zoomed pictures, and when he was called on it suddenly decided pictures are no proof ANYWAY.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Say the guy who posted zoomed pictures, and when he was called on it suddenly decided pictures are no proof ANYWAY.

No, I said you didn't understand the distances in your pictures, as multiple people repeatedly and politely tried to explain to you.

Anyway, we're at the "u so poopypants" stage I guess.

 

[Northpin]

Well then we don't have ANY proper ISS picture, and the only thing we have so far is this comment from an astronaut :

https://twitter.com/x/status/842334874304417792

I'll translate it for you :

Thomas Pesquet is the most experienced European astronaut to this day, and spent roughly 400days in space. According to google.

I don't know about you, but he seems to know his stuff. I mean, more than any of us, unless someone else went aboard of the ISS ? No ?

Seems about right

Two astronauts, but you didn't like what one said.

Yea, but the one that said he can see the pyramids also mentioned binoculars in the same phrase.
So, if he did spot the pyramids with the binoculars, maybe he then went "see that tiny dot down there? that's the great pyramid - i know cause i checked with a binocular in the previous orbit"

By contrast, the quote from mr. Thomas Pesquet is quite unequivocal

 

[CMDR Carbo]

After spending some time to observe the effects of the issue while weighing-up the costs to resolve it, we have decided to focus those resources elsewhere.

Aww, that's okay. I also spend my resources and time elsewhere.

o7

 

[MartinG]

The point is: a settlement seen from 400km should be nothing more than a bright dot with no distinguishable features.
Assuming it's on the night side...

Depends on the size of the settlement. A city-sized spaceport 5 km wide would be bigger than a full Moon from that distance.

 

[Northpin]

Depends on the size of the settlement. A city-sized spaceport 5 km wide would be bigger than a full Moon from that distance.

yea, but we're talking about a 150-200m settlement... or a pyramid fwiw

 

[MartinG]

So, if he did spot the pyramids with the binoculars, maybe he then went "see that tiny dot down there? that's the great pyramid - i know cause i checked with a binocular in the previous orbit"

That was roughly what he meant. He could spot the Pyramid with a naked eye, but only because he knew that dot was where the Pyramid was supposed to be.

By contrast, the quote from mr. Thomas Pesquet is quite unequivocal

Twitter statements tend to be quite unequivocal; there’s not much subtlety you can fit in 280 characters.