LGBTQ+ Flags as ship paint jobs?

[Kenneth McGrew]

Maybe, but what it adds to the game, except the way for some people to manifest who they are in RL?
Why? It's not a game like Second Life.

I mean, that's why I avoid Open and other MMO's. People bring their crap with them, whatever that is, instead of just playing the game and leaving the RL outside for a while.

i think it adds alot, it shows the community arn't willing to stand for homophobic or transphobic etc. behavior and will call it out and report it straight away. It shows the MMO's players there is no tolerance for it and it has no place in game.

again and i know i am harping back on about Rare and Sea of Thieves, but they have banned players for breaking the pirate code article 1. Fantastic stuff and a great step forward.

 

[Sylow]

you don't really have to. just act normal.

Pretty much. For me somebody being gay mostly is a "as long as you don't trouble me" thing. I mean, during my university time, one of our gaming group at some time, when we were out for food and some beer was like "i have something important to tell you". When he told us what was up, the only question of relevance was like "so, you have a crush on any of us?" As the answer was a no, we told him that it changes nothing and moved on. And indeed it never made a difference.

The only really odd experience i had was during a rock festival, where some guy came to us, started spending beer. We thought he tried to get to one of the girls we had along, no big deal for most of the time. (Would not have been the first time and the girls were fine with it. ) When it turned out that actually i was the target, things got a bit strange for a moment, but it also was clarified quickly. (And hey, for the rest of the festival we were teasing the girls, that they'd have to shape up, the guys out there obviously found me more attractive than them. )

Stories aside, i also don't think that i'd buy or use the paintjob suggested here. It's not about forcing people to use it, but to have the option to get it. Which might actually be the most logical reason for FD not to do it: evaluating how much effort it would be to make it vs. potential income.

Adding it would be mostly a PR move, when just looking at it from the sales vs. effort point of view, it probably is not worth it. That being said, i'm still all for having the option in game for those who would like to fly that flag around.

 

[theBreadSultan]

Intersectionalism is a manufactured cancer, created in response to the occupy movement to distract and divert energies away from class struggle that could manifest real change.

It doesn't matter how, what, why you're born or what you want to call yourself. No one that is sane gives a toffy about your personal life.

What determines the majority of your life experience is the money and class of your parents.

Intersectionalists are mice fighting over who got the most crumbs, while the cats eat steak dinners at the table.

So for me the flag should not be in the game, as population control and demoralisation techniques will be more sophisticated by then.

 

[Borko]

What people do with their danglies behind closed doors is their business. If they want to celebrate diversity and acceptance, that’s also their business. Whether or not I’m interested in taking part, i think they should be given the tools to do so. +1 on the pride flag paint job.

 

[sgurr]

Probably moot given what Agony has said about the number of colours in a paintjob but I'd support the OPs suggestion, and appreciate the folk like Kenneth explaining why it would be a good thing.

 

[Florenus]

i think it adds alot, it shows the community arn't willing to stand for homophobic or transphobic etc. behavior and will call it out and report it straight away. It shows the MMO's players there is no tolerance for it and it has no place in game.

again and i know i am harping back on about Rare and Sea of Thieves, but they have banned players for breaking the pirate code article 1. Fantastic stuff and a great step forward.

Let's show no tolerance for homophobic beahavior, sure.
But why bring RL into the game in the first place? Why start that topic?

Why do you need to show everyone what you prefer in some random aspect of your life?

What I mean is that you can add those things and later deal with the consequences, ban people, moderate their behaviour etc, or you can just not start it and leave the game to be just game about spaceships, aliens, exploration and not about your sexual preferences (or religious, or political, or whatever).

 

[JesusRocks1988]

Number of colours. Skins are limited to 3 colours. Even the non-binary flag has more than 3. The one posted in the OP has a lot more than that.

Without remaking the skin system they can't do more colours.

So, if someone wants flags like this, first they need to campaign for FD to put some effort into enabling more colours in the skin system.

Ahhh, I see. I hadn't noticed that, seems a bit odd.

 

[Alec Turner]

Let's show no tolerance for homophobic beahavior, sure.
But why bring RL into the game in the first place? Why start that topic?

Why do you need to show everyone what you prefer in some random aspect of your life?

What I mean is that you can add those things and later deal with the consequences, ban people, moderate their behaviour etc, or you can just not start it and leave the game to be just game about spaceships, aliens, exploration and not about your sexual preferences (or religious, or political, or whatever).

While I kind of agree with you I think the problem is that, via ship names and certainly FC names (eurgh!) and also things like System chat (which incidentally seems to be an unmoderated cesspit), like it or not those things are already in the game so adding this flag doesn't especially set a precedent.

 

[Morbad]

guess ill have to buy the obligatory "not a bigot" skin.

Not sure what would give you this impression, nor do I think many would seriously question anyone's motives in not buying stuff from the Frontier store.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

or use this ...

That could work as a decal.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Ahhh, I see. I hadn't noticed that, seems a bit odd.

Its outright bizarre, as it limits what sort of skins they can do. I can only presume it was a legacy decision and something they never got around to changing. A change now might result in them having to redo every single ship skin they have... or not, if the existing system can be extended.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

it should be pretty obvious to most people what is offensive and what isnt

Different people find different things offensive.

I've seen hardcore vegetarians be offended by me eating meat in front of them.

 

[JesusRocks1988]

Its outright bizarre, as it limits what sort of skins they can do. I can only presume it was a legacy decision and something they never got around to changing. A change now might result in them having to redo every single ship skin they have... or not, if the existing system can be extended.

I would hold out hope for the latter. After all, they got around the problem of asymmetry rather nicely without affecting everything else.

 

[Vetinari]

. for me sexuality and choices have been an accepted fact of life since i have memory,

Thats great, bit one reason for that is because you are standing on the shoulders of giants who did parade and protest. Otherwise your reality would not exist. Overall though it is better that people forget why it was needed because now it is so irrelevant and meaningless....but the history is too recent for many.

i'm not a fan of pride parades

Sorry Mods, this is history not politics though is my defence:

The first 'Pride' parade came about because there were certain nightclubs in a certain country. Now these clubs didnt give a hoot who you kissed, but the Police did, they cared very much and regularly used to 'raid' the clubs and use extreme physical violence against the people there. One day, one night, something happened and the people had just had enough. They fought a physical violent battle with the Police and ejected them from the club. For the first time in their life they werent a victim anymore. The 'weak' had overcome the 'strong' though unity and pride in who they were.

Next day that street was safe for people to walk on, to kiss whoever they wanted, and they took pride in that fact and displayed it openly, without fear for the first time. It became a safe haven for any (particularly young suicidal men) to go to where the could be accepted for who they were.

The 1st official Pride March was very shortly after and spread around the globe.

50 Years later that effect means you have been brought up in a society where nobody cares. Standing on the shoulders of giants. Some parts of the globe are still as bad or worse than 50 years ago.

 

[Vetinari]

I've seen hardcore vegetarians be offended by me eating meat in front of them.

Me Veggie, couldnt give a hoot, used to eat meat, seems hypocritical to say the least, my dogs eat meat, I dont, Im veggie, they are not, could have a Rabbit instead.

Im a one man walking contradiction, dont even start an argument with me, Ive already had it with myself

 

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[Vetinari]

Those memes are on a dangerous road to the one of the plucked chicken with googly eyes....its on this forum somewhere and its the possibly the worst thing I have ever seen and yet you cant take your eyes of it at the same time

 

[Vetinari]

Spoiler: At your own Peril, be Warned

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[Kenneth McGrew]

Let's show no tolerance for homophobic beahavior, sure.
But why bring RL into the game in the first place? Why start that topic?

Why do you need to show everyone what you prefer in some random aspect of your life?

What I mean is that you can add those things and later deal with the consequences, ban people, moderate their behaviour etc, or you can just not start it and leave the game to be just game about spaceships, aliens, exploration and not about your sexual preferences (or religious, or political, or whatever).

well firstly its not a preference, why anyone would chose a life of discrimination, and lower class of human rights. anyway... I digress, its what the flag represents.

 

[Kenneth McGrew]

Different people find different things offensive.

I've seen hardcore vegetarians be offended by me eating meat in front of them.

but thats just taking it a step too far, its like a same sex couple being offended by a hetrosexual couple, its bonkers, and outrageous. Yet the other way around it happens day in day out, and outside of pride events and gay friendly venues you would be hard pushed to find any "normal" couple behaviors between same sex couples.

its a dark world we live in, discrimination is rife, equality is a real fight, love is love and it shouldn't matter, yet it does.

powerful video if your comfortable watching it, and many people are guilty of these micro aggressions and micro discrimination's, the stares, the disapproving looks, which lead to people feeling ashamed of who they are...

Spoiler: Video behind spoiler

please watch it and hopefully i'll change one persons mind today...