LGBTQ+ Flags as ship paint jobs?
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Dont wait for it, actively participate, it will happen much faster.
I was with you up to this diversion.
Sociopaths can be banned, its no reason not to do something else. Better not upset the bad people, better to stay quiet - NO.
I was with you up to this diversion.
Sociopaths can be banned, its no reason not to do something else. Better not upset the bad people, better to stay quiet - NO.
Individuals do, both individually, and collectively. It's entirely subjective, thus everything is offensive.
I can't justify banning symbols on who they offend, but Frontier might be justified in banning symbols that would attract negative attention or result in problems for the profitability of their company, either through public backlash, or legal implications.
They would also be justified in not creating skins that no one would buy, but if that were used as an excuse here, then we'd have to wonder at the existence of a paint job based on the Norwegian flag.
Doesn't need to be a nice world to refuse to give weight to baseless opinions or unfounded accusations.
Putting a rainbow flag in the game doesn't open up anything new and none of these what-if scenarios are good arguments for not allowing such a thing.
On what grounds?
People can be removed for breaking the rules, not for the presence of a personality disorder that would be impossible for even a trained psychologist to diagnose based on a transient encounter with a video game character.
My feelings as well, in this case. All flags for (any) individual groups do is:
(a) paint a target on players wearing it for players that are that way inclined.
(b) get used as a weapon, outside of game, against players that have been perceived as using said flag (or what it represents) to get them banned, even if it wasn't their intention.
Neither of which are desirable in game nor out of it.
As you say, RL politics, religions, issues etc, should be left exactly there, there is no need to drag it in game.
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It was in context replying, using their definitions, I think they clearly meant observable actions or griefing / targeting LGBTQ+ specifically because they flew a Rainbow and were LGBTQ+ so thats what I meant by that word as well in that reply. And those behaviours would be against the TOC, leading to a ban. I was saying its not a reason to not do it, just use appropriate consequences which already exist for those who cannot play by the rules, assuming they display the behaviour mentioned, not because of who they are or any diagnosis.
indeed, but that's not a small hurdle.
to illustrate, we're currently daydreaming about terraforming mars, millions of km away and with no atmosphere, while we're not even able to keep our own cozy planet clean ...
I actually don't think it is going to be that hard, but we aren't going to do it in the way we expect to.
Surviving Mars is a great game on how it will likely be done.
Having Humans sent there to make things viable is impractical.
Having Robots on the other hand setting up all stations and maintain a habitat prior to human arrival is far more practical.
We simply need to now develop the Automated solutions which will be able to self construct a viable habitat autonomously.
With 3D printing and and 3D manufacturing which is currently available it isn't a big of a leap as most people think.
to illustrate, we're currently daydreaming about terraforming mars, millions of km away and with no atmosphere, while we're not even able to keep our own cozy planet clean ...
Pollution is just what Mars needs though, and were great at polluting things.
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Number of colours. Skins are limited to 3 colours. Even the non-binary flag has more than 3. The one posted in the OP has a lot more than that.
Without remaking the skin system they can't do more colours.
So, if someone wants flags like this, first they need to campaign for FD to put some effort into enabling more colours in the skin system.
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I'd be all for a rainbow paintjob as long as it had Zippy, George, Bungle, and Geoffry on it!
it should be pretty obvious to most people what is offensive and what isnt, this is the difference between saying something deeply homophobic and calling someone a "fool" (insert offense here). while both are offensive one is discrimination.
in the same breath the word gay can be used affectionately and also inappropriately.
hidding behind the can of worms argument... it dont exist, it doesnt open up a can of worms, in your example no-one will be outraged and i dont think you understand what a 'homophobic attack' is if you think that kind of thing is what causes bad publicity and what the LGBTQ+ community are fighting for.
"it's naive to think otherwise" so everyone who is being discriminated should just put up with it? great advice... The fight for equality is real, and nothing gets better without doing something about it. Such as defending the ops suggestion for a flag in game, so let them have it, its not hurting you and there no justification not to.
And i know technically it might not be able to happen and that's a valid point, about the only valid argument against it in this thread, unless of course you can somehow mix RBG colours to stretch the 3 colour system as a technical loop hole.
its still a great suggestion.
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The nation-state usually claims a monopoly on the right to use force to get it's way that is recognized by most others in the nation-state club. They also tend to have land and borders recognized by the same. Beyond that, things get blurry pretty quickly.
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Add it to the game.
People who quit over it are just outing themselves as bigots.
Better community as a result.
People who quit over it are just outing themselves as bigots.
Better community as a result.
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guess ill have to buy the obligatory "not a bigot" skin.
Hmm. Godwin’s law seems to get in force here.
Most likely this is possible. I mean, we already pulled the stunt of mixing colors on the C64 and the limited resolution of that time.
Edit: Sidenote on it: I am astonished if the limitation would actually exists. I mean, we do see things like smudges and shadings, which generally means that more than three colors are being used. Also, i remember the ship paint tool of Rebel Galaxy Outlaw and what you are able to do there. No limitation to the color selection at all, and i do think that the same is true for ED: a ships skin can have have a wild number of colors.
Where i actually do observe the limitation in ED is decals. Which is mostly due to the fact that decals have to be colored according to the skin beneath to avoid visibility problems. The more color channels you have on such an added decal, the more work each new decal and each new paintjob means, so limiting it to three actually seems reasonable.
Most likely this is possible. I mean, we already pulled the stunt of mixing colors on the C64 and the limited resolution of that time.
Edit: Sidenote on it: I am astonished if the limitation would actually exists. I mean, we do see things like smudges and shadings, which generally means that more than three colors are being used. Also, i remember the ship paint tool of Rebel Galaxy Outlaw and what you are able to do there. No limitation to the color selection at all, and i do think that the same is true for ED: a ships skin can have have a wild number of colors.
Where i actually do observe the limitation in ED is decals. Which is mostly due to the fact that decals have to be colored according to the skin beneath to avoid visibility problems. The more color channels you have on such an added decal, the more work each new decal and each new paintjob means, so limiting it to three actually seems reasonable.
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At their outset a flag is 'tribal'. It says 'We are a group that are identified by this symbol' At its worst it says 'We oppose anything not under this banner'.
Tribalism leads to nationalism, its just a bigger tribe is all. National Flags often have a bigger impact and history on more people so are recognised with 'prejudices' attached.
So some symbols become political or national and some are just symbols of membership. Some become political through no fault of their own and some become political because they are used politically. Some symbols have universal recognitions (eg the Cross of the Christians, the Moon & Stars of Islam) some dont or have dual or different meanings for different people.
The fact that people can argue about the symbol or flag shows how tribal they can make people.
P.S. Nobody is defending any Dictator by pointing out that some symbols just are more recognised as 'evil' than others, sometimes accurately sometime not, its still a fact that they are perceived differently.
Tribalism leads to nationalism, its just a bigger tribe is all. National Flags often have a bigger impact and history on more people so are recognised with 'prejudices' attached.
So some symbols become political or national and some are just symbols of membership. Some become political through no fault of their own and some become political because they are used politically. Some symbols have universal recognitions (eg the Cross of the Christians, the Moon & Stars of Islam) some dont or have dual or different meanings for different people.
The fact that people can argue about the symbol or flag shows how tribal they can make people.
P.S. Nobody is defending any Dictator by pointing out that some symbols just are more recognised as 'evil' than others, sometimes accurately sometime not, its still a fact that they are perceived differently.
How can you be so obtuse?
By flying rainbow flags and icons, the world is not saying that everyone is a bigot, However, it is bringing attention to the way that LGBTQ+ people across the world are denied certain human rights by virtue of being LGBTQ+
these passive aggressive comments such as "ill have to buy the obligatory 'not a bigot' skin". ignores the discrimination experienced by LGBTQ+ people across the globe, how can you not see that?
the flag does not label your sexuality merely support for equality.
you don't really have to. just act normal.
i'm not a fan of pride parades. for me sexuality and choices have been an accepted fact of life since i have memory, all this fuss is just nuts. i can understand though when people claim for equal rights in this regard. i personally will never trespass them, i sympathize, but it doesn't mean i have to go parading. actually, all this parading thing has a narcissist and frivolous touch that really disgusts me, but apart from the exceptions, extremes and excesses i understand why it needs to happen. it's not really that hard.
Maybe, but what it adds to the game, except the way for some people to manifest who they are in RL?
Why? It's not a game like Second Life.
I mean, that's why I avoid Open and other MMO's. People bring their crap with them, whatever that is, instead of just playing the game and leaving the RL outside for a while.
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