List of combat loggers has reached 250 recorded loggers, with 322 total logs. Frontier, this is a problem

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edgar

edgar
noodle said:
And more importantly... really, really sad. I'd be seriously revaluating my life if I found myself so emotionally invested in a video game that I needed to set up a league table of people who annoyed me.
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That's cool for you, but you don't get to police what OTHER people care about, sorry.

Combat logging is against the rules & is cheating. If people are passionate about a game why would you be surprised at passionate reactions to cheating in their beloved game?
 

Vasious

Vasious
edgar said:
That's cool for you, but you don't get to police what OTHER people care about, sorry.

Combat logging is against the rules & is cheating. If people are passionate about a game why would you be surprised at passionate reactions to cheating in their beloved game?
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But not all the actions the OP is recording and stating FDev must do something about is NOT Cheating by the rules laid down by FDev.
Hence they, and you, are labelling people who play within the rules explicitly stated as cheaters and attempting to name and shame and get the Devs to punish them.

Passion does not excuse such unsportsmanlike behaviour
 
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Traveller_GG

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Kyokushin said:
Want proof? Just ask FD for analyse. This is possible to check all disconnections and circumstances to estimate the scale, but i do not know this analyse is worth of FD resources to proof You something, because everyone know that the problem exist. This is a common knowledge.
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Sorry but that is shifting the argument. The statement was:

The vast majority of combat logs go unrecorded and unposted due to how common an occurrence it is.
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You don't have any proof that the "vast majority" go unrecorded but the statement is still made. You've simply propositioned a classic straw man argument by shifting the grounds of the original unsupported statement... Sorry, but as far as I can see, you have little actual evidence yourselves.
 

Rinzler o7o7o7

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Rinzler o7o7o7
Vasious said:
That is a baseless assertion, inflating ones figures by "unseen numbers" is the lowest form of misrepresentation to get your own way
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Traveller_GG said:
...but if they're unrecorded and unposted... how do you know about them? Or is it just speculation on your part?

"We know it happens! We have no PROOF it happens, but we know it does!"

That just sounds a little silly to me.
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Hang out on any PvP group's teamspeak for a day. The collective attitude towards it is "meh, this      again. *yawn*, not worth my time to record+upload+post since Frontier doesn't act anyway"
 

Sole Hunter

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Ian Phillips said:
This would rather seem to be a 'problem' of perception.

1) it is something that only occurs in one of the game modes.
2) it is something that within that game mode only occurs with specific play situations. For instance I have never felt the need to do an "ungaceful game exit" whilst out exploring.
3) 1.4 million game units sold according to the last figures we have access to. With an average of 60 hours per player = 84 million player hours. And you have 300 occurances logged? Some of which will no doubt be Logging out via the game menu, which is a perfectly legitimate method of ending a game session according to FD.

Doesn't seem to be that big a problem when looked at in the light of that analysis.
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people combat log in solo. They do it to avoid getting scanned or when they are about to die from NPC's.
 
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Vasious

Vasious
Rinzler o7o7o7 said:
Hang out on any PvP group's teamspeak for a day. The collective attitude towards it is "meh, this      again. *yawn*, not worth my time to record+upload+post since Frontier doesn't act anyway"
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Any proof that accounts for the VAST MAJORITY OF WHICH IS UNREPORTED?

Vast Majority speaks to a certain magnitiude
 

Rinzler o7o7o7

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Liqua said:
Completely agree - perma shadowban the lot of them IMO.

Menu-logging however is not against the rules and again that subreddit lumps them both into the same category.
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If you'd direct your attention to the list of combat loggers, you'll see a column titled "type of log"
We do differentiate between people who pull the plug and people who use the "legal" combat log method.

So if you don't want to fight taskkillers but still think fighting menu loggers is fun, you can do just that.
 

-NAiT-

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What happens when your internet connection suddenly goes down. I play in a group mostly and it happens twice a day. How would FD consider that. Combat logging whilst sitting in a station! I dont see how this can be policed as i know a lot of cmdrs who have consant problems with internet connections. I lost connection with FD approx 8 times on monday during a 6 hour play session. Some was my internet connection some FD. How would FD know the difference.
 

smartroad

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So if someone combat logs because they are attack and about to die (either by a PC or NPC as FDev doesn't appear to see any difference ) how does that really affect the attacker? Aside from missing out on the kill (and maybe a bounty if the person is wanted) does it really have any effect on the attackers game? If they are a pirate and have attacked an innocent party (not wanted) should they be thankful to the combat logger for leaving before they died and saved the attacker getting a murder charge? lol

Just a thought as there is a lot of passion that this ruins people's game, but what are the real issues that combat logging causes, other than hurt egos? Not that I think that combat logging is cool, I have lost a number of pythons after miss judging a hazres or other times where I got out just in time with only a few % of hull left and felt the amazing relief of getting out alive!
 

Kyokushin

Kyokushin
Vasious said:
Any proof that accounts for the VAST MAJORITY OF WHICH IS UNREPORTED?

Vast Majority speaks to a certain magnitiude
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Ask FD for analysis - this will be a proof. This is a common knowledge what o7o7o7 is talking. Almost everyone met a player who combat logged and only few are recording their game.
In my case - this is proportion 5:1. 5 not recorded 1 recorded.
 
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Vasious

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Rinzler o7o7o7 said:
If you'd direct your attention to the list of combat loggers, you'll see a column titled "type of log"
We do differentiate between people who pull the plug and people who use the "legal" combat log method.

So if you don't want to fight taskkillers but still think fighting menu loggers is fun, you can do just that.
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Why include the legal ones in your numbers when making your demands?
 

Aewarin Jameson

Aewarin Jameson
Rinzler o7o7o7 said:
If you'd direct your attention to the list of combat loggers, you'll see a column titled "type of log"
We do differentiate between people who pull the plug and people who use the "legal" combat log method.

So if you don't want to fight taskkillers but still think fighting menu loggers is fun, you can do just that.
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Then remove all the people who play by FDs rules and I will support your cause.

Until then expect total resistance.
 

Stupid_hippy

Stupid_hippy
All I find when I search reddit for combat loggers is a mod who posted a players personal info and got the sub reddit banned. Very reliable..
 

Soopyyy

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Rinzler o7o7o7 said:
Hang out on any PvP group's teamspeak for a day. The collective attitude towards it is "meh, this again. *yawn*, not worth my time to record+upload+post since Frontier doesn't act anyway"
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I can second this, there is a substantial community outside of this forum with drastically different opinions to those expressed on this forum. A great many people support Rinzler's position and are growing increasingly tired of it.

Personally, I think that people logging off during combat need to be banned from open. Their actions are game breaking, its cheating, and quite clearly they're not intention of actually participating in the game as it is intended as they obstruct that from happening deliberately.
So, don't allow them to join open. Limit them to Solo and Private groups and the problem is eradicated.
 

Traveller_GG

Traveller_GG
Rinzler o7o7o7 said:
Hang out on any PvP group's teamspeak for a day. The collective attitude towards it is "meh, this again. *yawn*, not worth my time to record+upload+post since Frontier doesn't act anyway"
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Except you still have very limited proof. Millions of people go to Church and pray to a deity every Sunday, doesn't mean they're right and it exists though. Just because people say something happened, it does not mean it does.

All I can see is a very limited number of people take advantage of a game-play mechanic and you're getting very upset at someone spoiling your fun.

The odd thing being of course, that the people who complain at unfettered piracy (attacking without provocation) are berated and called 'care-bears'; yet here you are making essentially the same complaint: someone doing something I don't like (that is allowed by the game) is spoiling the way I want to play the game.
 
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