Live stream format change - Ed
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I'd just like to remind everyone Ed has been protected several times in Open by Delta Squadron during his streams.
We cant always be there but when we are invited, we keep the trouble makers busy letting Ed get on with the stream.
Ed has never been murdered when in a wing with Delta Squadron. When Ed wings up with me and Taz101 he's in safe hands.
Ed has never died when we have been invited to give protection - 2 Buckyball races for example.
Ed has only ever died once when Delta combat wing was in his system, and we killed him, because he was carrying a UA to Eravate.
So I think Ed should carry on using private when he wants to, like in the Thargoid reveal, and use open when he wants to involve the Open community.
Delta Squadron combat wings always available to Ed free of charge.
We cant always be there but when we are invited, we keep the trouble makers busy letting Ed get on with the stream.
Ed has never been murdered when in a wing with Delta Squadron. When Ed wings up with me and Taz101 he's in safe hands.
Ed has never died when we have been invited to give protection - 2 Buckyball races for example.
Ed has only ever died once when Delta combat wing was in his system, and we killed him, because he was carrying a UA to Eravate.
So I think Ed should carry on using private when he wants to, like in the Thargoid reveal, and use open when he wants to involve the Open community.
Delta Squadron combat wings always available to Ed free of charge.
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I don't doubt that you are sincere when you (and maybe many other combat CMDRs) say that you'd like Ed to show off a bit more combat skills (because PvP is an important element of Elite), and I totally agree with that.
But respectfully disagree about the rest. The people who systematically streamsnipe him (and many others, including some Private Group ganks) maintain a "public" facade of "hey, it's all for fun, we are doing it for you", while in more private settings make very clear the disdain they have for Ed, their (essentially) hatred for a game that does not meet their expectations (limited to combat activities), as well as their contempt for the entire community, mostly composed by "carebears" and "spergs". I find it perplexing that many people here (including OA, who holds quite a bit of authority around here) waste their time by engaging in discussion with them. There is no winning an argument against them, this is what trolling is like.
Then we are asking for the same thing. Frontier really should clarify their position on this. Personally I read Zac's statement; "targeting specific players purely for the purpose of being disruptive, to cause offence, or to upset players within the community can also be considered harassment" means that what is happening on Ed's streams can be considered harassment (or is Ed exempt as an harassment target, because he is not a "player" but a member of Frontier? What does that mean for other streamers?).
The example Zac illustrated in the next sentence is exactly that, an example, and therefore not fully comprehensive of all cases.
I'm glad we are on the same page though in seeking clarification. Is this behavior acceptable? Is it ok, but only when targeting Frontier? Is it ok against all players and streamers? Hopefully Frontier are willing to elaborate.
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All modes are the 'official' mode.
That's because I did have an agenda, and if only you had read my subsequent posts before responding...
Quite true! I did not read all 5 pages before responding.
Probably should but I become very tired of the "back & forth" that often leads nowhere.
Thats why I have been minimizing my time here - you caught me after my first coffee and I was all full of energy
Carry on Cmdr. o7
This game is being promotted as an open world MULTIPLAYER game. Only OPEN mode answers this description.
Arguably they should be promoting all the game modes.
Besides, not everyone can play in Open.
I've updated the OP for clarity with the following:-
"EDIT: I just want to make it clear, as others have said here. This is about a small group of 'players' that specifically target the live stream to disrupt it. It has nothing to do with Open play ganking such as Community goal ganking.
It's not exactly difficult for a person to target a streamer with a loadout and ship placed in game with full knowledge of where the victim is, what they are flying, what they are trying to achieve. For this reason I feel streams would work better in a private group to ensure the game is represented fairly. Rather than this is what happens when you are targeted by players when you are streaming."
"EDIT: I just want to make it clear, as others have said here. This is about a small group of 'players' that specifically target the live stream to disrupt it. It has nothing to do with Open play ganking such as Community goal ganking.
It's not exactly difficult for a person to target a streamer with a loadout and ship placed in game with full knowledge of where the victim is, what they are flying, what they are trying to achieve. For this reason I feel streams would work better in a private group to ensure the game is represented fairly. Rather than this is what happens when you are targeted by players when you are streaming."
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Private Group.
No. There are groups as I've mentioned(Delta Squadron) who go out of there way to try and protect Ed.
There is a time and place for private but lets not get all kill joy and take all the fun away from Eds streams.
I think both us and FD can't wait enough for Crime and Punishment upgrade witch we just need. Stream sniping should have in-game consequences. Also I think Ed should stick with Open.
Unless the stream is about the defenders of Ed then it should not be about 'The defenders of Ed' - I don't want to watch a stream about new features turn into a stream about two pew pew groups battling over a live stream - YAWN!
Stream sniping is against the TOS so all FD need to do is grow a pair, throw out a few 6mnth bans and it will stop.
I'm sure Frontier want to promote all aspects of the game rather than just a lame explosion after explosion followed by a rebuy screen after rebuy screen.
I find it hilarious that folks state 'jump screen boring, samey", "planets boring, samey", "screenshots, boring, samey", "missions boring, samey", "story boring samey", exploration boring, samey" while at the same time seeing a repetitive explosion/rebuy loop is somehow meant to be engaging?
I want to see variety in the streams - of all aspects of play, (including PVP, the above and more), rather than just the usual suspects shooting Ed and gloating about it, it's boring. This community is made up of more than just people who laugh at the same tedious stream sniping time and time again.
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Indeed. And given that not everyone can play in Open or Private Groups, it might be nice for them to show folks what they can see and do in Solo as well.
There's a couple of different problems here that need to be disseminated.
Harassing Streamers
The same person repeatedly disrupting another person's streams is harassment. Period. If the same player is continually and purposefully hunting Ed and Bo and frequently disrupting their streams by blowing them up every time then Frontier should ban that account. They would be crazy to let that kind of thing continue as it is a direct breach of FD's own rules about stream sniping.
Lack of In-Game Consequences for Murder
There are no consequences for killing clean ships. The entire game world is essentially an Anarchy. Mad Max in space. High security systems mean nothing. Anarchy systems mean nothing. The most catered to playstyle in the entire game is being a murderer. Every other law abiding and outlaw playstyle alike has to deal with consequences that restrict what they can do so why not the mass killer playstyle? This needs to be addressed once and for all by the developers.
High security systems should be dangerous places for murderers and outlaw players to operate in - docking privileges should be restricted for murder and in the case of serieal player killers no docking in High sec at all for a period of time. A proper NPC security force should be present - engineered to the teeth. Likewise Anarchies should be dangerous places for bounty hunters and other lawful players. Docking privileges restricted for those hunting Pirates/targets in an Anarchy, etc. Pirate fleets should operate in these areas and act much like the mirror version of the security forces in High sec systems. Medium and Low sec systems should be a middle ground where both playstyles are given enough leeway to operate in.
This would then give Ed and the devs places in Open to hold their streams where they can at least attempt to minimise being insta-gibbed.
Using a PG for Official Streams
This would just be the devs burying their heads in the sand and basically ignoring the problems they need to fix with their game's crime and consequence mechanics, as well as the issue of harrassment of streamers. It would be runing away from the things they need to tackle head on and would serve no real purpose for the betterment of the game.
Harassing Streamers
The same person repeatedly disrupting another person's streams is harassment. Period. If the same player is continually and purposefully hunting Ed and Bo and frequently disrupting their streams by blowing them up every time then Frontier should ban that account. They would be crazy to let that kind of thing continue as it is a direct breach of FD's own rules about stream sniping.
Lack of In-Game Consequences for Murder
There are no consequences for killing clean ships. The entire game world is essentially an Anarchy. Mad Max in space. High security systems mean nothing. Anarchy systems mean nothing. The most catered to playstyle in the entire game is being a murderer. Every other law abiding and outlaw playstyle alike has to deal with consequences that restrict what they can do so why not the mass killer playstyle? This needs to be addressed once and for all by the developers.
High security systems should be dangerous places for murderers and outlaw players to operate in - docking privileges should be restricted for murder and in the case of serieal player killers no docking in High sec at all for a period of time. A proper NPC security force should be present - engineered to the teeth. Likewise Anarchies should be dangerous places for bounty hunters and other lawful players. Docking privileges restricted for those hunting Pirates/targets in an Anarchy, etc. Pirate fleets should operate in these areas and act much like the mirror version of the security forces in High sec systems. Medium and Low sec systems should be a middle ground where both playstyles are given enough leeway to operate in.
This would then give Ed and the devs places in Open to hold their streams where they can at least attempt to minimise being insta-gibbed.
Using a PG for Official Streams
This would just be the devs burying their heads in the sand and basically ignoring the problems they need to fix with their game's crime and consequence mechanics, as well as the issue of harrassment of streamers. It would be runing away from the things they need to tackle head on and would serve no real purpose for the betterment of the game.
Really? Elite Dangerous is not a ground up multiplayer game, you can "blaze your own trail" and that includes choosing to fly in the mode of your choice and whether he decides to "git gud" or not! However, I do think that open is the way to go and the ban hammer should be yielded for those who break the terms of the game.
This is correct.
This is incorrect - Frontier have stated numerous times that all three client connectivity modes are equal in their eyes. They're the designers and the coders of the game, so they should know - much better than you or I
This has an element of truth to it - he should harden his ship(s) up a bit and maybe even get better at avoiding being blown up. Sacrifice some jump range for a bit of armour, use chaff, don't try to fight the interdictions - submit, turn around, boost past, chaff, "Jink right!" (and left, and up, and down), 4 pips to shield, 2 to engine, engage FSD to the next jump...
And finally, thanks for proving the points I made earlier. The ones doing the stream sniping or ganking in general are the ones who latch on to Frontier's marketing slogans as justification for their actions. But truth be told I can't fault them for doing so (except for the stream snipers who I'm certain should be actively sanctioned by Frontier), because Frontier have marketed their game with "Cutthroat galaxy" and "Or just hunt other commanders".
Yet Frontier has yet to add any kind of consequences for those who like to partake in "just hunting other commanders", and haven't done so for 3 years. Frontier's fault, and I have zero sympathy for Frontier.
The stream snipers should definitely be penalised though - and openly, to discourage others from that kind of scrub behaviour. It's definitely the lowest of the low scum move, IMO.
