Imma add it right now
Make the worst DLC possible
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The Saiga isnt impossible to keep and even have been quite common in europe and asia. Even now there are still held in a few zoos.
They are in a similar spot to the sumatran rhino and got Moved out of the zoos for a conservation program
I think for the Indri it is similar to the Problem that most Zoos have with the Proboscis Monkey. It has something to do with their Food. Maybe a Zoo on Madagascar could keep them when they are better researched
Yeah, but apparently they eat certain foods at certain times of day. It's very interestingI think for the Indri it is similar to the Problem that most Zoos have with the Proboscis Monkey. It has something to do with their Food. Maybe a Zoo on Madagascar could keep them when they are better researched
They are held in a total of two zoos worldwide, both in their native area. That's fewer than the proboscis monkey, which is already controversial.
Don't get me wrong, I love the saigas, but to me they are not worth a slot when there are so so many much more common zoo animals missing from the game.
This works on so many levels. I love it
Sure you did. You were just hoping for a different response from people who agreed with you.
Not sure I can agree with this, because (aside from the fact that politics isn't 100% true either), there has been an active "political" campaign against animal packs ever since SEA, which is what DeJandro was pointing out.
To be clear, I think it's fine for that debate to happen, and for people to be on different sides. I personally enjoyed the original "satirical" comment, even though I'm on the "other side" of that debate.
But once someone has opened up that debate, inserted that political agenda, and brought that campaigning into a thread by claiming that an existing pack is the "worst dlc possible" -- not just their opinion of the worst so far (which wouldn't strictly be on-topic), but the worst thing that they can ever imagine someone coming up with -- Once that's been done, I don't think we can expect everyone else to just naively pretend that they didn't see it.
It was a joke. (and I think a funny one). But not just a joke. A joke with an agenda and a history. Which is what satire is, incidentally -- always political in some sense. Always meant to campaign and convince. Which is fine to do. But also fine for DeJandro to notice, and try to make sure that the devs don't get too convinced by the very thing that the satire was trying to convince them of.
Heck, it's not even the funniest pro-builder, stick-it-to-the-animal-folks joke their side has. That honor has to go to the "Birds of Southeast Quebec DLC", which has the same general agenda to make animal lovers look foolish or greedy compared to builders who are just scraping by with the bare minimum, but doesn't pile on the devs as a threat/warning in quite the same way since it's hypothetical.
It was a joke. (and I think a funny one). But one that wasn't strictly on-topic for this thread either. Which, again, is fine to do. Topics often expand and veer in new directions. But once an agenda has been inserted with such surgical precision, I don't think we can expect the other side to be so naive as to just go silent or go elsewhere.
Humor and satire are great. I enjoy them and hope they continue! But the idea that you can use them like a sword, and then expect everyone to treat it like just a harmless shield to hide behind once the damage is done, and wonder what everyone is so upset about, doesn't really work either. Jokes are powerful things. That's why satire is so effective. And claiming that this isn't the right place for the other side to address that power, when the first side was the one that introduced it here to begin with, feels like we're saying that power should be allowed to go unchecked and unchallenged. The "political power" was introduced into this thread and intended to influence and persuade those who read this thread, so it makes sense to me that it should be able to be addressed in this thread too.
TL;DR -- Stand by your jokes, and don't pretend they weren't intended to do the very thing that they were so clearly intended to do. We're not that naive.
the worst pack possible, would be a tiger pack, who would come only with tiger subspecies, in this case:
south china tiger
Malayan tiger
Indochinese tiger
Sumatran tiger
Oh, and the pack costs 25 dollars
south china tiger
Malayan tiger
Indochinese tiger
Sumatran tiger
Oh, and the pack costs 25 dollars
Thanks, I made that one. Also I do agree with your sentiment, it is fine to have that debate, my message was just to point out that the original message was a joke, and to not look at it so harshly.
The worst DLC is the one that Frontier makes
Great post! I agree with everything here. I really dislike this weird anti-animal campaign in a zoo game.Sure you did. You were just hoping for a different response from people who agreed with you.
Not sure I can agree with this, because (aside from the fact that politics isn't 100% true either), there has been an active "political" campaign against animal packs ever since SEA, which is what DeJandro was pointing out.
To be clear, I think it's fine for that debate to happen, and for people to be on different sides. I personally enjoyed the original "satirical" comment, even though I'm on the "other side" of that debate.
But once someone has opened up that debate, inserted that political agenda, and brought that campaigning into a thread by claiming that an existing pack is the "worst dlc possible" -- not just their opinion of the worst so far (which wouldn't strictly be on-topic), but the worst thing that they can ever imagine someone coming up with -- Once that's been done, I don't think we can expect everyone else to just naively pretend that they didn't see it.
It was a joke. (and I think a funny one). But not just a joke. A joke with an agenda and a history. Which is what satire is, incidentally -- always political in some sense. Always meant to campaign and convince. Which is fine to do. But also fine for DeJandro to notice, and try to make sure that the devs don't get too convinced by the very thing that the satire was trying to convince them of.
Heck, it's not even the funniest pro-builder, stick-it-to-the-animal-folks joke their side has. That honor has to go to the "Birds of Southeast Quebec DLC", which has the same general agenda to make animal lovers look foolish or greedy compared to builders who are just scraping by with the bare minimum, but doesn't pile on the devs as a threat/warning in quite the same way since it's hypothetical.
It was a joke. (and I think a funny one). But one that wasn't strictly on-topic for this thread either. Which, again, is fine to do. Topics often expand and veer in new directions. But once an agenda has been inserted with such surgical precision, I don't think we can expect the other side to be so naive as to just go silent or go elsewhere.
Humor and satire are great. I enjoy them and hope they continue! But the idea that you can use them like a sword, and then expect everyone to treat it like just a harmless shield to hide behind once the damage is done, and wonder what everyone is so upset about, doesn't really work either. Jokes are powerful things. That's why satire is so effective. And claiming that this isn't the right place for the other side to address that power, when the first side was the one that introduced it here to begin with, feels like we're saying that power should be allowed to go unchecked and unchallenged. The "political power" was introduced into this thread and intended to influence and persuade those who read this thread, so it makes sense to me that it should be able to be addressed in this thread too.
TL;DR -- Stand by your jokes, and don't pretend they weren't intended to do the very thing that they were so clearly intended to do. We're not that naive.
Couldn’t have said it better myselfSure you did. You were just hoping for a different response from people who agreed with you.
Not sure I can agree with this, because (aside from the fact that politics isn't 100% true either), there has been an active "political" campaign against animal packs ever since SEA, which is what DeJandro was pointing out.
To be clear, I think it's fine for that debate to happen, and for people to be on different sides. I personally enjoyed the original "satirical" comment, even though I'm on the "other side" of that debate.
But once someone has opened up that debate, inserted that political agenda, and brought that campaigning into a thread by claiming that an existing pack is the "worst dlc possible" -- not just their opinion of the worst so far (which wouldn't strictly be on-topic), but the worst thing that they can ever imagine someone coming up with -- Once that's been done, I don't think we can expect everyone else to just naively pretend that they didn't see it.
It was a joke. (and I think a funny one). But not just a joke. A joke with an agenda and a history. Which is what satire is, incidentally -- always political in some sense. Always meant to campaign and convince. Which is fine to do. But also fine for DeJandro to notice, and try to make sure that the devs don't get too convinced by the very thing that the satire was trying to convince them of.
Heck, it's not even the funniest pro-builder, stick-it-to-the-animal-folks joke their side has. That honor has to go to the "Birds of Southeast Quebec DLC", which has the same general agenda to make animal lovers look foolish or greedy compared to builders who are just scraping by with the bare minimum, but doesn't pile on the devs as a threat/warning in quite the same way since it's hypothetical.
It was a joke. (and I think a funny one). But one that wasn't strictly on-topic for this thread either. Which, again, is fine to do. Topics often expand and veer in new directions. But once an agenda has been inserted with such surgical precision, I don't think we can expect the other side to be so naive as to just go silent or go elsewhere.
Humor and satire are great. I enjoy them and hope they continue! But the idea that you can use them like a sword, and then expect everyone to treat it like just a harmless shield to hide behind once the damage is done, and wonder what everyone is so upset about, doesn't really work either. Jokes are powerful things. That's why satire is so effective. And claiming that this isn't the right place for the other side to address that power, when the first side was the one that introduced it here to begin with, feels like we're saying that power should be allowed to go unchecked and unchallenged. The "political power" was introduced into this thread and intended to influence and persuade those who read this thread, so it makes sense to me that it should be able to be addressed in this thread too.
TL;DR -- Stand by your jokes, and don't pretend they weren't intended to do the very thing that they were so clearly intended to do. We're not that naive.
As someone who takes part in the "Birds of South-Eastern Quebec" thing, our intention wasn't to mock people who wanted more animals, but just to mock the stupid DLC ideas people constantly put out there.
But I thought my DLC Idea for a Pack with 8 different Snails and Slugs was great
Any kind of mocking is just childish. There are no real stupid ideas - every wishlist, whether niche or a rehash of a thousand other ideas, whether likely or unlikely, is ultimately a fantasy. Nobody has any right to tell others not to share their wishes, or to mock them for it. Disagree with them, fine, but mocking is uncalled for.
To put it another way, I happen to think the idea of including aquarium or marine species is kind of stupid, which I know is something the modders like Leaf really want - to me it shows a lack of knowledge about zoos in general, or at least a lack of knowledge about what zoos prioritise, and I'd rather not have people who lack that knowledge driving the ideas. I'm not going to mock anyone for it, though. We're all entitled to our fantasies, but I will always disagree with it.
Oh forgive me. I didn’t realize I had a lack of knowledge, especially for being a zoo hobbyist for around well over 15 years. It had completely slipped my mind that AZA stands for Association for Zoos and Arthropods… wait.
My clear intention for marine animals is no more ridiculous than the inclusion of the Lesser Antillean Iguana or the Proboscis Monkey. I have been to zoos, not just aquariums that display Marine Mammals ranging from Manatees to Dolphins to fish to Sea Lions and more. It just so happens that this has overlap with aquariums, but normal zoo animals have overlap with aquariums as well, I’ve been to aquariums with Tamarins and Monkeys hopping around. No different situation - it simply happens. But of course, I must know nothing about zoo’s when I say I want marine mammals in a fictional video game lol
Plus, this is a game, I shouldn’t have to have knowledge in order to make suggestions. The whole point of games are to represent fictional worlds in which the impossible can be possible. Again, Lesser Antillean Iguanas are RARELY found in captivity yet they’re in the game. You are wholeheartedly discrediting my opinions and my intents when I advocate for more innovative and challenging DLC’s as opposed to a vanilla and uninspired DLC wishlist.
But here’s the thing - I’m not anti-animal. Once again, I am BOLDLY advocating for a North American Animal Pack though current signs point in a different direction. And again, to point out, how could I be anti-animal when I have personally had a hand in developing over 80+ new species in the game, for free? I go unrewarded for most of the time in development of new species for the game, which makes my ambitions all the more clear. I actively want and create more animals in a zoos game. I know you don’t use mods here, but I know a damn good amount of people do, and at least they can recognize my intention to bring more often than not overlooked yet integral species to the game. I remember people were hard-pressed when the Platypus and Emu were overlooked in the Australia Pack, the Sloth Bear from SEA, heck, I’ve filled the niche of Aquatic Animals and Farm Animals for you all should you finally choose on your own ambition to use mods. I’m nowhere near the graphical artist that J or BH are, but I do my damn best in order to get integral species into the game. But that’s right, I’m not a zoo person so I couldn’t possibly know anything there is to know about keystone species in zoos around the world, lol. Just another anti-animal builder, I guess!
But I’m not even anti-Frontier animal. I’m against the idea that we’re restricted to such small packs too. I have been the one advocating for them to raise the price point up a notch to include more animals and more scenery. You can’t tell me I’m wrong for wanting the best of both worlds?
I’m just tired of it man. This forum is not open to new ideas that go against the grain to the stagnant opinions whatsoever - and you instantly turn on me and claim me to know nothing about a field I genuinely show an interest in, have been pushing myself to learn more about well over half my life, and a hobby I have come to love. I thought I could make a funny joke about this meme in the community that I wasn’t a fan of the SEA pack but you all took that and started to make these false accusations against me. It’s no wonder why people find this place to be toxic, I thought I could integrate myself in here and serve as a bridge betwixt content creator and forum fan but I guess not. I’m clearly not welcome here and all I wish for is to push my political agenda or whatever was mentioned before. Lord forbid I break the mold for once lol
Pangolins would be on this list if we didn't innovate zoos housings. This would be greatly encouraged by having these types of species in Planet Zoo to represent what ought to be done and not just stewing around in what's has been done since. I think it's quite unfortunate that people have this mentality of "we can't do anything about it so we shouldn't consider it further" when it comes to animals for zoo games. It's quite awfully limiting.
Yes, attempts to house these animals have come with deaths. This is a risk that we have to accept, and from which we learn to work towards successful progress to helping these species. Important to note that wildlife conservation (a theme that Frontier is strongly supporting for this game), is about managing populations, and not just individuals.
Which Signs? It would be horrible if we wouldn't get a second Animal Pack. In my Opinion North America and Europe both deserve Animal Packs
I am sure we will get another one at some point, just maybe not the next one according to some people.