General / Off-Topic Measles

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Measles deaths 'staggering and tragic'

Global estimates suggest 142,000 people - mostly children - died from the disease in 2018

www.bbc.com

Measles death toll in Democratic Republic of Congo exceeds 5,000

Low immunisation rates and high levels of malnutrition fuelling epidemic

www.independent.co.uk

So, this is coming back, and loads of people are dying needlessly. Thanks, Wakefield, great job!

We don't have any cases locally, because the vaccine is free, and required, or you don't get entry to school. The protective services, health services and education services also will not hire unvaccinated applicants.
The Health Ministry is considering refusing entry to the island to the
unvaccinated, but that's a bit harsh. They can simply get the shot and pay us a nice big fee at the airport.

I have to look at pictures to remember what it looks like now, have not seen a case in 20 years.

On the flip side, the Typhoid vaccine is taking names!

Typhoid vaccine 'works fantastically well'

The jab is being given to nine million children in Pakistan at risk of a dangerous form of the infection.

www.bbc.com

Typhoid nearly killed a close relative many decades ago, stopped being a threat in the antibiotic era, then vanished completely with the advent of modern plumbing. It's a threat again because of drug resistance, but if we immunize, it can be eradicated too.

 

[jasonbarron]

Measles deaths 'staggering and tragic'

Global estimates suggest 142,000 people - mostly children - died from the disease in 2018

www.bbc.com

Measles death toll in Democratic Republic of Congo exceeds 5,000

Low immunisation rates and high levels of malnutrition fuelling epidemic

www.independent.co.uk

So, this is coming back, and loads of people are dying needlessly. Thanks, Wakefield, great job!

We don't have any cases locally, because the vaccine is free, and required, or you don't get entry to school. The protective services, health services and education services also will not hire unvaccinated applicants.
The Health Ministry is considering refusing entry to the island to the
unvaccinated, but that's a bit harsh. They can simply get the shot and pay us a nice big fee at the airport.

I have to look at pictures to remember what it looks like now, have not seen a case in 20 years.

On the flip side, the Typhoid vaccine is taking names!

Typhoid vaccine 'works fantastically well'

The jab is being given to nine million children in Pakistan at risk of a dangerous form of the infection.

www.bbc.com

Typhoid nearly killed a close relative many decades ago, stopped being a threat in the antibiotic era, then vanished completely with the advent of modern plumbing. It's a threat again because of drug resistance, but if we immunize, it can be eradicated too.

This isn't "coming back" and it's disingenuous to frame it that way; in Western civ measles is little worse than catching the flu, few people die after contracting it and the odds are far worse of dying due to medical malpractice just to help put it into perspective. The scary death toll numbers are almost exclusively taken from poor, third world countries where it's not honest to act like it's making some sort of comeback because of those gosh darned evil anti-vaxxers in the States. The countries where this is a major problem have more issues than you can shake a stick at impacting the lives and health of their citizens, and the measles is just one of an assortment.

 

[Chaparral]

We've seen mono, mumps, measles, lots of hepatitis, TB, norovirus, flu, dengue, and west nile, recently in my major met city. Our ground squirrels have plague. Shoot, I myself was lucky enough to get encephalitis as a teenager.

Globalization. Gotta love it.

What really burns me is that Panama disease is killing all the churchill bananas. Tragic. Because they're all clones. My grandkids will only get synthetic isopentyl acetate. Progress is great isn't it?

 

[jasonbarron]

We've seen mono, mumps, measles, lots of hepatitis, TB, norovirus, flu, dengue, and west nile, recently in my major met city. Our ground squirrels have plague. Shoot, I myself was lucky enough to get encephalitis as a teenager.

Globalization. Gotta love it.

What really burns me is that Panama disease is killing all the churchill bananas. Tragic. Because they're all clones. My grandkids will only get synthetic isopentyl acetate. Progress is great isn't it?

You like progress? Just wait until antibiotics don't work anymore!

What is the state of the antibiotic resistance crisis?

Policymakers have warned that we face an antibiotic resistance crisis. Why is this, what are researchers doing to address it, and what can we do right now?

www.medicalnewstoday.com

 

[Demascus]

Got my shots, so im good.

 

[Captain Willard]

Please don't vaccinate. Nature has a way of deleting the weak and the fools.
Feel free to send your diseased children to schools to infect others.
Look at california, it's now a misdemeanor to knowingly infect others with HIV thru sex.

 

[jasonbarron]

Please don't vaccinate. Nature has a way of deleting the weak and the fools.
Feel free to send your diseased children to schools to infect others.
Look at california, it's now a misdemeanor to knowingly infect others with HIV thru sex.

How'd I know this would be the conclusion drawn from Robyn's proffer?

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

In this day and age of deception, and political motivations of the hidden puppet masters...
it would not suprise me one bit... if they(NWO) have purposely re-introduced the virus... to make people reliant on government intervention!!
classic case of
introduce problem --> create fear and confusion----> Government provides a solution---->change laws increase regulations--->oppress the people
nothing new here!!

So.... giving people the vaccine( we do it free in the health centres) in order that they don't get sick is "oppressing" the people?

I'm just trying to follow this. 3 posts implies that you must feel quite strongly about the issue.

The countries that have no measles cases like mine are bad, but the ones where people are dying are good? Can you explain this please?

 

[Chaparral]

You like progress? Just wait until antibiotics don't work anymore!

What is the state of the antibiotic resistance crisis?

Policymakers have warned that we face an antibiotic resistance crisis. Why is this, what are researchers doing to address it, and what can we do right now?

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Yeah, I have relatives that are cattle ranchers in central Mexico. They have been juicing up their cattle with antibiotics prophylactically for decades. I've explained to them the consequences of breeding resistant bugs, and their response is "but they grow so much bigger and faster when we give it to them".

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

LOL ill wait for the cynical reply regarding the president!! wait for it!!

My president is a nice quiet lady, who is well educated, kind and polite. Her country has no measles, so the minimum standard of public health practise has been met. She generally polls in the high 80's.
Why would anybody have a problem with her?

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

We've seen mono, mumps, measles, lots of hepatitis, TB, norovirus, flu, dengue, and west nile, recently in my major met city. Our ground squirrels have plague. Shoot, I myself was lucky enough to get encephalitis as a teenager.

Globalization. Gotta love it.

What really burns me is that Panama disease is killing all the churchill bananas. Tragic. Because they're all clones. My grandkids will only get synthetic isopentyl acetate. Progress is great isn't it?

Wait, what, the Black Plague?? That's a heckuva thing to sneak into the middle of a post!
Yes, I remember reading that it was still endemic in the wildlife in NA. But in the cities? If it jumps to the rats, that could be a very serious thing. Is it still susceptible to Tetracycline? I'd have to look that up.

 

[Chaparral]

Wait, what, the Black Plague?? That's a heckuva thing to sneak into the middle of a post!
Yes, I remember reading that it was still endemic in the wildlife in NA. But in the cities? If it jumps to the rats, that could be a very serious thing. Is it still susceptible to Tetracycline? I'd have to look that up.

Yes plague. Our city is interlaced with chaparral canyons with enormous ground squirrel populations. They test positive for yersinia pestis. There are often signs posted in local campgrounds to avoid close contact with ground squirrels, and to never feed them. I feed them regularly -poison.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Yes plague. Our city is interlaced with chaparral canyons with enormous ground squirrel populations. They test positive for yersinia pestis. There are often signs posted in local campgrounds to avoid close contact with ground squirrels, and to never feed them. I feed them regularly -poison.

Know nearly zero about Plague. Have a question:

If you poison an infected squirrel, and it dies, what happens to the fleas? Do they jump ship? Move to another host? If we don't know exactly where the squirrel is going to go to die, might that start the jump to rats ( and thence... to people??)
What if the animal lives, and learns to come up to people to get food later on?

It sounds like a sound idea at first... maybe it isn't ?

Edit: and NOW I read the link. Ha. All the answers are there.

 

[EUS]

Had measles, mumps, chickenpox, all the usual childhood stuff.
I think it's a mistake to immunize against those mostly harmless childhood diseases.

That being said, I have a visit for shingles vaccine lined up. I know a few people with it, and I don't want it.

Also, when is Turks and Caicos joining Canada?

 

[Chaparral]

Know nearly zero about Plague. Have a question:

If you poison an infected squirrel, and it dies, what happens to the fleas? Do they jump ship? Move to another host? If we don't know exactly where the squirrel is going to go to die, might that start the jump to rats ( and thence... to people??)
What if the animal lives, and learns to come up to people to get food later on?

It sounds like a sound idea at first... maybe it isn't ?

Edit: and NOW I read the link. Ha. All the answers are there.

They generally die in their burrows. I have not seen a poisoned one above ground.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Had measles, mumps, chickenpox, all the usual childhood stuff.
I think it's a mistake to immunize against those mostly harmless childhood diseases.

That being said, I have a visit for shingles vaccine lined up. I know a few people with it, and I don't want it.

Also, when is Turks and Caicos joining Canada?

Yes, a combat rating there...

These diseases I got too because no vaccines back then. Sure, we treated them as no big deal, you stayed home, ate ice cream for a week, that was it. I don't know any actual person with serious complications, except one fellow who went deaf from mumps.

Thing is, 142,000 dead people is a pretty strong reason to fix the problem. That's not trivial. If enough patients get sick, it starts to change the picture we get from just limited experience.
Maybe the social issue is that the bad cases are rare, so we never see them around us, and then we devalue the danger. If you worked in an infectious unit, maybe those cases would be an everyday thing, but most of us just have no contact with the problem.

There might be an alternative to vaccinating older people for shingles.
An immunologist named Fahy did a little trial, and regenerated thymus glands in 8 men aged 55-65 or so. That replenished the whole immune system. Not sure if the immunity was restored enough not to vaccinate though.


( Turks & Caicos is joining Canada?? )

 

[Shinji Ikari]

The amount of nutjobs is strong in this thread.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Please refrain from turning this into a political discussion.

 

[EUS]

The amount of nutjobs is strong in this thread.

Right back atcha.

 

[EUS]

Thing is, 142,000 dead people is a pretty strong reason to fix the problem.

This is where we differ in opinion, in that immunizing billions because of 0.2% mortality from measles (that was the stat I saw from the '90's) is not the way to go.
On the other hand, I believe that smallpox will rear its head again, and since the immunization for that one has been dead for decades, will lead to a lot of problems.

(There's been talks* over the the last 100yrs of T&C joining Canada).

*Hmm, bit more serious than I thought.

Spoiler

In 2004, Conservative MP Peter Goldring visited Turks and Caicos to explore the possibility once more. He drafted a motion asking the Canadian Government to look into the issue, but his party declined, citing immigration, tourism, and economic issues.[39] However, the Canadian government does not dismiss the possibility of a future union.[39] The province of Nova Scotia voted to invite Turks and Caicos to join the province in 2004, should the islands ever become part of Canada. This would bypass the problems with admitting Turks and Caicos as a separate province.[40]
On 2 March 2009, the Ottawa Citizen ran an article on its online site reporting the interest of the Canadian government to open a deep-water port in the Caribbean that would open up "a new market for Canadian goods ... in the Caribbean and nearby Central and South America".[41] "Suppose the port, unaffordable for Caribbean countries, boosted their standard of living and bolstered hemispheric security. Suppose the port doubled as a Canadian military operations base for countries wanting help to patrol their waters and to interdict the Caribbean's robust trade in smuggled arms, drugs and people."[41]
In May 2014 Premier of Turks and Caicos Rufus Ewing visited the Canadian Parliament looking to improve its relationship with Canada, and was open to a possible "marriage" in the future.[42][43]
In the Turks and Caicos Islands, support for a "special relationship" with Canada was at 90% in the 1990s, while in 2003 support for the relationship stood at around 60%. Goldring, an MP from Edmonton, has championed the cause of integrating the Turks and Caicos Islands as a Canadian territory for security benefits, as well as increasing Canada's influence in Central and Southern America with regard to counterterrorism, trade and combating encroaching Chinese influence in several small Caribbean islands, such as St. Lucia.[41]