Engineers Medium Security Settlement List and Guide for Modified Embedded Firmware

[Paddy McGinty's Goat]

Djadjok,
thanks for the quick reply, to explain the boost situation with the datapoints, I realise you need to boast and climb to ascend the outside of the base to get to the datapoint. The issue I have is when I target the datapoint, (secondry trigger button) it is the same button to start the scan, but when I press it it just targets the next target. The only way to get round this is to turn of the primary weapon on the SRV and put that primary trigger button to activate the scanner. I then have to get the the SRV level with the datapoint by boosting to be able to do the scan. Pain in the a*$e.

There is a bug report in several commanders have had the same issue but as yet FD have failed to solve this bug.

I will have a look at the online video's and turn drive assist off.

As for the CDT terminals, I wonder if it is an issue with the bug as they are definitely CDT terminals I am scanning.

Thanks for the help.

 

[djadjok]

Djadjok,
thanks for the quick reply, to explain the boost situation with the datapoints, I realise you need to boast and climb to ascend the outside of the base to get to the datapoint. The issue I have is when I target the datapoint, (secondry trigger button) it is the same button to start the scan, but when I press it it just targets the next target. The only way to get round this is to turn of the primary weapon on the SRV and put that primary trigger button to activate the scanner. I then have to get the the SRV level with the datapoint by boosting to be able to do the scan. Pain in the a*$e.

There is a bug report in several commanders have had the same issue but as yet FD have failed to solve this bug.

I will have a look at the online video's and turn drive assist off.

As for the CDT terminals, I wonder if it is an issue with the bug as they are definitely CDT terminals I am scanning.

Thanks for the help.

yep, the issue with scanning controls is slightly off-topic, I've heard - and encountered - some of them along my way (but not this one in particular). My own bug reports are normally connected to model-level issues with settlements (when you draw maps you have plenty of time to notice them=) )
It can be dependent on platform you are using, sometimes checking firegroups can help.
And so far all cases of "unattended" aggression from the base (couple of them) were always explained as a common case of parking the ship somewhere on the usual patrol route of skimmers. If they "bump" to this new obstacle the result is always the same - "it's your fault and you become the enemy #1"

EDIT:
forgot to mention: sometimes (really rare case) a normal datapoint can be transformed in "compromised" datapoint. Instance dependent feature (i.e. if you relog or revisit particular settlement this datapoint will be "normal"). I don't know the influence and consequences of scanning a "compromised" datapoint - I haven't notice any difference, but all cases when I've encountered them was always in the middle of frontal base assault (so I don't know if scanning them provoke aggression)

 

[Devari]

I just wanted to post my thanks to the OP, and make one small observation:

I have visited a few of these bases and had pretty good luck getting the data I need, but I went to Kokary 3 - Sawyer Beacon this morning and couldn't find anywhere reasonably close to land my Asp Explorer. The terrain is very rough around this settlement. I'll have to go back in a smaller ship and see if I can get it on the ground successfully near the base.

Sawyer beacon was the most difficult base I encountered, both due to the rough terrain surrounding the base and due to it being on a high-g planet. I found that there was no way to land next to the base without triggering a trespass warning with the ship so I found a small area several km away from the base where I could land my Python. I then had to drive up the steep valley terrain to reach the base itself, which at first didn't seem possible as the SRV would just slide back down after getting a short distance up the slope. During this process I realized that the SRV actually has slightly better traction going backwards than forwards (which is actually the opposite of what you'd expect given the double wheels on the front) and this meant that the SRV could gradually move up the slope if I drove it backwards. I eventually made it up to Sawyer Beacon but this took around 45 min as I kept sliding part of the way back down several times due to the high gravity. When I reached Sawyer Beacon I then found that high gravity also meant that I couldn't reach the roof either by boosting or by driving forward up the wall. Since I had encountered that the SRV had better traction going backwards I tried driving backwards at high speed towards the wall, then boosting and angling the SRV so that it hit the wall at the right angle so that the combination of the momentum and the reverse traction would help the SRV get to the roof. It took several attempts (as I was driving backwards without being able to see where I was going) and required several SRV repairs in the process since the high gravity meant I took considerable damage every time I missed the timing and bounced off the wall. I eventually got onto the roof and at that point it was possible to complete the data point scan but I didn't even end up with any MEF for my trouble. When I was doing the base run at Sawyer Beacon I wanted to see if it was possible to reach the base and was determined to try every base on the list because I wasn't sure that the bases would reset and thought we might only have a limited "supply" of bases to get MEF drops from. The process took me over 2 hours however and I definitely wouldn't recommend it given how many other bases we have that are much easier to access and the fact that bases will each reset after 2 weeks. The base at Sawyer Beacon is definitely a good way to challenge the limits of your SRV driving skills on a high-g planet but the frustration involved is probably not worth it, I was just very stubborn and wanted to prove if it were possible or not before giving up on a potential source of MEF.

I didn't try landing within the trespass zone, however. Maybe that's a viable option if you don't care about fines/bounties.

I actually managed to do this accidentally by landing my ship within a trespass zone at another base. I was in the process of landing the ship just as I received the trespass warning and I couldn't fly out of the trespass zone in time because by the time I had restarted the engines and taken off again I had gotten both a fine and a bounty. At that point I decided I would just try to launch my SRV and dismiss my ship, hoping that the base might "ignore" my SRV. At that point the Cobra base defence ship had already started attacking my Python but I was able to send my ship into orbit before it took any significant damage. The problem was that the trespass fine/bounty "transferred" to my SRV and the base ship then promptly started attacking my SRV. At first I thought the base defence ship might have trouble targeting my SRV but it was able to fire accurately enough that I had to constantly repair my SRV due to accumulated damage despite evasive manuevering. I could tell that a base run wouldn't be possible under those conditions and tried to drive away from the base but the Cobra destroyed me in the process before I could get far enough outside the settlement area to recall my ship. I haven't tried anything like this again (since it's easy enough to just stay well outside the trespass zone when landing) but in theory if the base had no base defence ship nearby and you had enough mats for SRV repairs it might be possible to just land directly at the base, ignore the trespass bounty, then dismiss your ship and complete the data point scan without getting your SRV destroyed by the base defences. I had considered trying this at Sawyer Beacon but when I was there I saw at least one base defence ship nearby so I didn't think it was worth the trouble of likely getting my SRV destroyed again.

 

[Sevenperry]

Ejeta Relay on Gold at Delta Pavonis med sec +++ scientific layout. Once again no MEF beginning to think I shouldn't arrest the timer by scanning core data terminal!

 

[Sevenperry]

Just went to Burckhardt point industrial med sec +++ same planet as above but it's all fenced off. Anyway of telling which settlements are restricted? This is an anarchy one, had problems with penal and silos previously ( no jokes necessary ).

 

[djadjok]

Just went to Burckhardt point industrial med sec +++ same planet as above but it's all fenced off. Anyway of telling which settlements are restricted? This is an anarchy one, had problems with penal and silos previously ( no jokes necessary ).

More than strange. Large Industrial Medium Security layout fenced - with large restricted area marked by "proximity sensors"? As far as I understand this is impossible. Looks more like a bug. The only large layout that can be fenced at medium security is the military one (in both possible variations).

 

[Sevenperry]

Looked industrial, a lot of ships though and the big red fence, I left. Maybe it was military? Just landed at a med sec +++ keep, guessing it's military.

 

[djadjok]

Looked industrial, a lot of ships though and the big red fence, I left. Maybe it was military? Just landed at a med sec +++ keep, guessing it's military.

I'm on my way to check this. Good way to distinguish military layouts - 3 or 4 satellites (with defense platforms) surrounding the core part of the settlement. In my mapping spreadsheet there is a column named "PSP" - in the "Restricted/Ground" area. If there is an "1" in corresponding cell - pale red - then the whole settlement is inside restricted zone, marked up by proximity sensors (PSP - Proximity Sensors Perimeter).

 

[Sevenperry]

I'm on my way to check this. Good way to distinguish military layouts - 3 or 4 satellites (with defense platforms) surrounding the core part of the settlement. In my mapping spreadsheet there is a column named "PSP" - in the "Restricted/Ground" area. If there is an "1" in corresponding cell - pale red - then the whole settlement is inside restricted zone, marked up by proximity sensors (PSP - Proximity Sensors Perimeter).

I'm guessing I'm wrong!

 

[MarcusKross]

Looking for a SINGLE MEF for a week now.

Checking Mission boards for every faction and every mission still no MEF for a week
Went to scan sattelites near earth like planets scanned a whole bunch no MEF
I tried the bases listed on this very thread no MEF.

Cherry on top today my friend spotted a MEF awarding mission on the mission board on the same station and the same instance we are at and when i checked, it awarded Divergent scan data for me.

Is there a word for being both extremely frustrated and angry?

 

[djadjok]

I'm guessing I'm wrong!

Yep, I've checked this system - Burckhardt Point Settlement is in fact "L4M2" (Large Military Medium Security Variation #2), so no wonder it is fenced with PSP (and with 4 npc ships on-guard).

Looking for a SINGLE MEF for a week now.

Went to scan sattelites near earth like planets scanned a whole bunch no MEF
I tried the bases listed on this very thread no MEF.

Hmm, If you have tried all - let me check - 56 0-treat settlements listed in my spreadsheet list then it's a question of a very-very bad luck. Speaking seriously it's statistically impossible. Yep, in fact now you have to visit more bases to get the minimum amount (3) - so don't lose your hope (for me it was 6 or 7 bases since last update)
About satellites - I've saw this post somewhere but I'm not sure that this was not a pure joke.

 

[MarcusKross]

Yep, I've checked this system - Burckhardt Point Settlement is in fact "L4M2" (Large Military Medium Security Variation #2), so no wonder it is fenced with PSP (and with 4 npc ships on-guard).


Hmm, If you have tried all - let me check - 56 0-treat settlements listed in my spreadsheet list then it's a question of a very-very bad luck. Speaking seriously it's statistically impossible. Yep, in fact now you have to visit more bases to get the minimum amount (3) - so don't lose your hope (for me it was 6 or 7 bases since last update)
About satellites - I've saw this post somewhere but I'm not sure that this was not a pure joke.

Statistically impossible you say? Well seems very possible from where i am standing. On my way to Blaschke base at the moment which i believe is on the list too. I don't know if scanning satellites work but i tried it anyway, figure how desperate i am.

 

[MarcusKross]

Just cleared Blaschke, it seems i am getting 3 units of data from bases now too also again no MEF.

So much fun FDev bravo.

 

[djadjok]

Statistically impossible you say?

oh, better word is "improbable", yes

Well seems very possible from where i am standing. On my way to Blaschke base at the moment which i believe is on the list too. I don't know if scanning satellites work but i tried it anyway, figure how desperate i am.

yes, I perfectly understand you. If you'll check last 2-3 pages in this thread you'll see that I was one of the biggest skeptics if the MEF is still harvest-able from the large medium-sec settlements. Settlement after settlement with no luck - very familiar situation.
(*)Funny thing - in fact I don't need all those MEF at all and have no plans to do the weapons upgrade in next few months. Honestly for me all this "MEF-rush" is a side effect of the settlement's classification project. Sorry that I can not share my own stock of MEF's.

 

[MarcusKross]

oh, better word is "improbable", yes

yes, I perfectly understand you. If you'll check last 2-3 pages in this thread you'll see that I was one of the biggest skeptics if the MEF is still harvest-able from the large medium-sec settlements. Settlement after settlement with no luck - very familiar situation.
(*)Funny thing - in fact I don't need all those MEF at all and have no plans to do the weapons upgrade in next few months. Honestly for me all this "MEF-rush" is a side effect of the settlement's classification project. Sorry that I can not share my own stock of MEF's.

No need to be sorry for you are not at fault for implementing layers upon layers upon layers of RNG or not implementing a proper player to player trading system that burden is on Fdev, but ofc those are discussions for other threads.

 

[djadjok]

No need to be sorry for you are not at fault for implementing layers upon layers upon layers of RNG or not implementing a proper player to player trading system that burden is on Fdev, but ofc those are discussions for other threads.

Yep, multilevel matryoshka-like RNG is an issue. But I don't see also a solution which can be perfect from all sides.
Also, promised by FD "this will be simpler" about materials/data grind is evidently tricked (yep, they augmented quantity but reduced variety/quality, yes)
And, honestly, while I have more then enough to say about topics you've mentioned I don't want to transform this in one another whining thread - be happy, don't worry, stay calm=)
PS: Speaking seriously - I've had no chance so far to recheck medium size hi-sec bases - may be this is a better solution and augmented chance to got MEF (I'm sure that taking down some half a dozen skimmers is not a problem for the most part of pilots)

 

[Devari]

Looking for a SINGLE MEF for a week now.

Checking Mission boards for every faction and every mission still no MEF for a week
Went to scan sattelites near earth like planets scanned a whole bunch no MEF

I looked at mission boards quite frequently since 2.1 launched and I only saw an average of 1 MEF mission per week so they are quite rare. It seems to help being allied with a faction as you tend to get higher-ranked missions from those factions which give correspondingly better rewards but I have also gotten MEF missions from factions which I was only neutral or cordial with so it's still quite random.

I tried the bases listed on this very thread no MEF.

I have frequently had stretches where 6-7 bases in a row gave me no MEF, then it started dropping again from the next 2-3 bases, so it does seem to drop in "clusters". If you're trying to maximize the efficiency of your base runs I would suggest trying Exploration bases before moving on to the other layouts as they are generally the fastest to run through and they have generally given me the best MEF drops so far (although this may simply be random chance and not reflect any true tendencies for any given layout to drop more MEF).

Cherry on top today my friend spotted a MEF awarding mission on the mission board on the same station and the same instance we are at and when i checked, it awarded Divergent scan data for me.

This actually doesn't surprise me at all, especially if you didn't have the same rep level with the faction, as you would have seen different missions that depended on your individual faction rep. If it was an identical rep level and identical mission level giving different data rewards for the same mission then that would have been quite annoying though.

 

[MarcusKross]

I will focus my efforts on finding and scanning exploration layout ones from now on.

Also, yeah we had identical rep level 'allied', identical mission level, identical faction, identical credit reward, identical everything. The mission was the same the only difference being the material reward.

 

[MarcusKross]

Just finished doing 4 exploration layout bases which resulted in producing 2 MEF.

Thanks for the tips dev.

 

[Oogie Boogie]

Looking for a SINGLE MEF for a week now.

Checking Mission boards for every faction and every mission still no MEF for a week
Went to scan sattelites near earth like planets scanned a whole bunch no MEF
I tried the bases listed on this very thread no MEF.

Cherry on top today my friend spotted a MEF awarding mission on the mission board on the same station and the same instance we are at and when i checked, it awarded Divergent scan data for me.

Is there a word for being both extremely frustrated and angry?

Well, thanks to this thread I did 3-4 planetary stations with my SRV and within one hour this was the result so far.