Modes Mega ships open only content?

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Ask CMDR Vulcan!

Do that - I'd be interested to see both the request and the reply.

I am already forced to deal with BGS changes from other players.

That's called playing the game - and everyone, on all platforms and in all game modes, both experiences and affects the BGS - by design.

The modes are not equal.

Two can contain other players.

Only one has an unlimited population.

Players can, subject to being able to play in multi-player in the first place, choose whichever mode suits them on a session by session basis.

It is ok to force PVP.

Of course it is - however it is only possible in two of the three game modes - that players can choose not to play in.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
***Cough cough***

I don't agree that the modes can be disregarded from this topic - as they themselves represent barriers to PvP (one absolutely, the other with care when selecting who has access to the Private Group).

Hence PvP is entirely optional (but can be initiated on an unwilling participant in either of the multi-player game modes).
 
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"All modes are equal!"
 
I don't agree that the modes can be disregarded from this topic - as they themselves represent barriers to PvP (one absolutely, the other with care when selecting who has access to the Private Group).

Don't be ridiculous.
The premise of "forcing PVP" assumes that certain conditions have been met.
If we have to spell out the modes etc, then let us not stop there!

You need to be alive.
Conscious.
Own Elite and something to play it on....

It's an ad absurdum!

Besides, those are the conditions I set, so you ignoring that is dishonest when addressing my points, and you should stop.
 
CMDR Vulcan had no such difficulties with the language at hand!
Most people who read that understand immediately too.

I suggest the problem is not with the words.
 
This is a public announcement, on BBC 2 QI Xl will start in 1 hour. The subject will be "piecemeal" and unfortunately will star Giles Brandreth, but on a happier note, also Jimmy Carr.

It is relevant to this topic, since that's how much time I need to kill here.
 
Humor Mode (because it's needed)

A mega ship encounter:

Player spots an "alien" threat USS, but does not see a threat level. Worse, the USS begins *maneuvering* to pursue the player...

Player is interdicted.

After the spinning stops, what looks like *hundreds* of fighters appear on the scope. Plus, about thirty ships.

Player launches SLF (s), if carried.

All SLF's destroyed in seconds. Then, *boooooom*!

Next, the rebuy screen:

You have been destroyed by the USS Enterprise. :)
 
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.... after that, there's no prospect of a reasonable discussion and therefore no need to continue.




You are not posting in good faith.

That is called setting the boundaries of a discussion.
It was meant to curb the obfuscation, but you went right ahead anyhow.
That is dishonest.

(post reported)
 
You do realise the term disingenuous refers to the motivation of the one making the claim, rather than the claim itself, right? So, according to you, I do not find the modes genius. I don't. I'm just being dishonest here. So ... must be I'm trolling, or have some other motivator. I must have used the same motivator when I wrote a thread which you know very well where I explained why I am of that opinion.

sorry, if i would find it dishonest i would have said 'dishonest', i preferred a more nuanced term that included the possibility of mistake or lack of reflection. i do think there is a bit of "pretending that one knows less about something than one really does" involved but, oh well, it's probably not the right word :)

The modes allow options, and they prevent options. Your preferred method has the exact same limitations of allowing options and preventing options.

how do you know? there are several ways to organize space to cater for all options. some bad, some good, some genius because they would allow for these extremely different play styles to coexist and thrive. coming up with an orthogonal system based on 'everything is allowed everywhere' simply isn't genius because it doesn't work. saying it is means either disregarding the options that get trampled over for no reason, or simply not wanting to think about it, ruling out a possible solution and ignoring the knowledge gained in multiplayer gaming in the last few decades. you really think 'disingenuous' is not appropriate here? what other term would be? asking for a friend who is not a native english (speaker).
 
Modes are not equal. Any exclusion divides.


To OP
I doubt Frontier will change direction, Mega ships will be divided into all modes. Exclusion of PvP will be a comfort for many Fontier favors an indirect approach to player confrontations.
 
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sorry, if i would find it dishonest i would have said 'dishonest', i preferred a more nuanced term that included the possibility of mistake or lack of reflection. i do think there is a bit of "pretending that one knows less about something than one really does" involved but, oh well, it's probably not the right word :)
Let me guess, it sounded really good.

how do you know? there are several ways to organize space to cater for all options. some bad, some good, some genius because they would allow for these extremely different play styles to coexist and thrive. coming up with an orthogonal system based on 'everything is allowed everywhere' simply isn't genius because it doesn't work. saying it is means either disregarding the options that get trampled by it for no reason, or simply not wanting to think about it, ruling out a possible solution and ignoring the knowledge gained in multiplayer gaming in the last few decades. you really think 'disingenuous' is not appropriate here? what other term would be? asking for a friend who is not a native english (speaker).
Ironic you're asking a non-native speaker. :)

See, I am saying it's genius (well, brilliant is actually my choice of words, since it's closer to what I am mean), because it does work for me, brilliantly. This is due to the kind of gameplay I like. My knowledge of multiplayers in the last couple of decades was that it's a cesspool of certain individuals who like nothing more than telling others what to do unsolicited. "You can't enter this system!", "why not? I paid for this game.", "I am the grand ruler chief captain sir fancypants, and this is my system!". "No it's not". "Yes it is because I can shoot you up".

And the only remedy known to man to prevent this sort of interaction: git gud. In other words: play this game exactly like I am playing, or even more condescending: here's a little bit of space you may enjoy while we have fun in the rest. So ... yeah, no, pass.

Now Frontiers remedy is the option to opt out of this sort of interaction, but still leave the content of the game available to you. Which is exactly the reason I object to OOPP. Yes, I feel PvP CMDRs should have more content to work with, but it should be content geared towards PvP. Like CQC, but incorporated into the game in some sort of war scenario for instance. PvP content that's exclusively for PvP players makes sense to me and that would be genius to those who enjoy that. I wouldn't begrudge them their fun.

So, I see it as a perspective issue, where the subjective matter of how one enjoys a game, determines whether he finds certain solutions "genius" or rather "brilliant". It is genius for me because it's the one thing that made me be able to play Elite the way I prefer for years.

edit: I got it. The better word(s) is(are): really something. As in: "praising it as a genius idea is just ... really something".
 
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You are not posting in good faith.

That is called setting the boundaries of a discussion.
It was meant to curb the obfuscation, but you went right ahead anyhow.
That is dishonest.

(post reported)

Wow, you reported his post as presumably not posted in good faith? That's good one.
And, as far as discussions go, why, of all participants ,do you have the right to set some boundries others must adhere to?
I should be calling this hijacking the thread and report it also :)

And calling other thoughts stupid, silly or ridiculous does not help to have constructive discussion, so I'm actually surprised it lasts so long.
 
And calling other thoughts stupid, silly or ridiculous does not help to have constructive discussion, so I'm actually surprised it lasts so long.
I'm afraid that's because of: Join date: 23/09/2018. :)

Ever heard of Hotel California? Which is a sort of meme around here? That's been going for 6 years, without going anywhere.
 
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