My open letter to Fdev

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I suspect the types , that are ruining my nation of Australia & the rest of the world ,have a lot in common with the burn the world down Crowd in ED

Who will use any argument too justify going into Mobius, Iraq, your house, in the stupid belief , that the sane among us, would believe they where

'just checking the Silver'


..look there's fairies at the bottom of the garden...WHAT AGAIN !!
 
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Every player making CG in solo are like cheaters for me... It looks like script kiddies using "invulnerable" mode on every game they play. No more and no less...
COMMUNITY GOALS Damned godness , community, CO-MMU-NI-TY !!!!!!!!.... ALONE, in SOLO ???

Cheaters ! Cheeeeeeeeeeaters !!!! Every you are !!!!!!

Light sword in the box? ;)

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Now you understand what and why we did invade mobius back in january. I would like congratulate the 13th legion for having the damn balls to do what is right. I applause your heroism and actions. Frontier needs to separate private/solo from open on a different shard/server with it's own BGS.

This cannot continue.

So the ice cream truck's tune annoys you? Do you talk to the owner asking him to turn it off? Nah! Let's shoot the kids buying the ice cream from him, that'll work!!!!! :rolleyes:
 
I love how people are extrapolating criticism towards the actions of the 13th to the entire PvP community.

Shows the bancrupty of their position.
 
Below is an open letter sent to Fdev via opening a ticket...

Greetings Fdev,


This message is to address the currentCG in Sagevon system. I am a ranking member of the Empire's 13thLegion. Over the last 4+ days we had a mission to blockade the CGthat is clearly a Federation attempt to take control of the Meropeand surrounding systems. Unfortunately, you have created a game wherehuge player groups such as Mobius (being the biggest) can partake inthe CG in private or solo with virtually no resistance other than anoccasional weak NPC interdiction, which is a joke. As such, PowerPlay is broke, as there is no real way to properly defend against theFederation, who you seem to favor in just about any CG.


So this last 4 days, we used ourgranted access to Mobius private group to blockade ONLY theSagevon system in both Mobius groups andin Open play. Our intent was not to “club baby seals” but toappose the CG in a role play capacity. Despite what some may claim,we always declared our intentions as enforcing a blockade andallowing them to high wake. Most ignored us and were promptlydestroyed. After dealing with multiple combat logs by Mobius CMDRsand them declaring they would continue in Solo, and after giving verypublic notice in Redit, and further monitoring Mobius's forums (whichare open for all to see) we began to give them a little less time tocomply. Further with the starport being a very short 21LS from thesun it meant there just wasn't much time for us to wait for theircompliance. I assure you that had the station been further from thestar, we would have given them much more time and leaniancy, but wehad to make sure that the CG was effectively blockaded and many CMDRsin both open and Mobius were destroyed.


Now in contrast to other player groups,we actually don't find killing Mobius overly challenging, especiallywhen most of mobius was trading in Cutters and Condas with basicshields and nothing but mines for weapons. (Which just proves howpathetic the AI is at countering the CG or pirating). The solepurpose was to not allow the largest private group in the game toinfluence the CG without resistance. The orders were for our groupthat if you were kicked out of the group by Mobius, to NOT attempt togain access again, as that would breach your EULA. We simply wouldthen continue the blockade in Open play.


These actions simply go to protest howprivate play and solo can affect Power Play as a whole since there isno real way to counter it effectively. We do not care if othersprefer to play in private or solo, so long as their actions do notaffect the rest of the players. Which is why being in private or soloshould not be allowed to participate in a CG or Power Play. Itssimple common sense and logic here.


By Sunday (USA time) the CG went intolock down and you (Fdev) voted to remove the hard work that Empirealigned players put into the game. By doing so you have set aprecedent and basically told the community that there is no point inopposing a CG from now on as you will just eliminate that action witha keystroke. I don't know if you entirely understand the can ofworms you have opened with this action. Power play groups (especiallyEmpire aligned) are asking themselves why bother with the CG that isalso related to power play such as the current one since it isbasically a predetermined outcome by Fdev who will simplyalter/change any effect created by groups like ours.


Even outside the current CG as far asPower Play goes, by allowing CMDRs to participate in Power play inprivate and solo, you have created a situation where opposing them isimpossible. The entire premise is just flat out stupid frankly. Youknow, if you were to turn off CG's and PP in private and solo, thosepeople who played there would complain for about a few weeks. Thenthey would get over it and realize open isn't that bad. Especially ifopen got a huge influx of pacifists such as Mobius, as the ratiowould change dramatically. Everyone would still be able to play asthey wish, and simply understanding the dangers of going to a CGwhere you can bet there will be some opposition, can help them decideif they want to partake in it or not, AND if they do, simply readytheir ship defend itself a bit, or maybe wing up (strength innumbers) or even align with PvP groups to provide protection. Case inpoint at the last CG to build an imperial Cruiser, Several groupsincluding the Empire's 13th Legion provided protection forthe traders doing the CG. This adds so much more dimension to thegame, as well as posibilites.


I strongly recommend that you changethe way that Private and Solo play effect everyone. Mobius oftencomplains that they just want to play it their way withoutinterference from others in a strictly PvE mode. Unfortunately theway you have created the game makes it so that Mobius CMDRs influenceEVERYONE when the participate in CG's and Power play, which is unfairand wrong. Mobius fails to see that there are two sides to the coinhere because they simply seem to lack logic, or just can't see pastthemselves.




Regards,


CMDR BKRambo
Centurion of The Empire's 13thLegion

an im sure all the players you try to block have all reported your group an you all will be ban from that PVE server. [up]

Nothing he is saying or wanting to do is against the rules.

In fact blockades were ment to be part of the game , and FD likes it when we actualy play the game

if they were then Fdev would not have set the game up as P2P



an all this ranting about open vs solo an group your all forgetting about the xbox players that our part of the same CG thats on PC. Xbox and PC cmdrs will never see each other. so just get off your high horse and accept the fact that your playing an p2p game with an limited number of cmder per instance. only way to fix it is to remove the p2p add on a monthly fee an put everone in the same server. somthign Fdev our never going to do. and if you cant get over it go play some other game
 
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Who are you to say what they need or what it should be? The point is regardless of if you want them or not the multiple open groups with different rules WAS promised. Perhaps FD expected PGs to be small groups of mates and that would be fine....... IF FD implemented the modes they promised. Until then Möbius and others like him do their best to give the features currently lacking in the game.

As someone who has no need of a large player group of pve it is arrogant of you to say it's not needed. CLEARLY needed for a great many of us. Stop ramming your play style down my throat and trying to break the game for me. If there are not enough players in open, if you feel undermined by players you can't blow up well tough that is the game you bought.

Well said. There is so much from the ddf and ks we are still waiting for. The groups with different rules being the main one for a lot of people right now.
They just don't get that Elite is not eve and the game is designed to stop people forcing their play style on others. Solo is here for a reason. In some of the pve threads pvpers we're going mad that open would turn into a pvp only cesspit as if a pve open
Mode was added all the non pvpers would leave open for it.
People were warned at least a year ago that if they didn't curb their behaviour open would be empty. Oh well never mind. Bring on the open pve mode and and let people play how and where they want. And if open dies because of it never mind. Fd tried to get everyone together to play nicely but it never worked at least they tried. Time to let it go and move on.
 
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an im sure all the players you try to block have all reported your group an you all will be ban from that PVE server. [up]

They do not ban you if it's a first offense (first time invading mobius or any other private group), they ban you 30days+ if you circumvent the ban by using an alt account (subjective to the actions of the individual, it's about context), doing it again can result in a permanent ban.

There are ways to circumvent the ban without getting banned which i will obviously not disclose here :cool: as it would break the forums rules but just to make it clear, frontier stance is very mellow. It's extremely easy to invade groups if you know the loops, it's a joke to be honest which is why these rules are ridiculous and don't stop anything until proper group tools are implemented.

TL'DR; nothing will happen to the 13th pilots who invaded mobius if it was their first time doing it.
 
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They do not ban you if it's a first offense …

I think KFENVY meant that those who invaded the private group will get banned from that private group ("ban from the PVE server"). A lot of players don't know the network and matchmaking architecture of this game and simply use the therm "server" for all sorts of different things.
 
I think KFENVY meant that those who invaded the private group will get banned from that private group ("ban from the PVE server"). A lot of players don't know the network and matchmaking architecture of this game and simply use the therm "server" for all sorts of different things.

They do not get banned, they get kicked. They can re-apply anytime they want but that doesn't mean they will get re-accepted.
 
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Now you understand what and why we did invade mobius back in january. I would like congratulate the 13th legion for having the damn balls to do what is right. I applause your heroism and actions. Frontier needs to separate private/solo from open on a different shard/server with it's own BGS.

This cannot continue.

You are right. Kidiots need to realise that these design features are not going to change and go find a game they like
 
Everybody always knew why anybody would go into a private group with the sole intend of breaking its role, its always the same reason: To be a griefer.

There can never be any other statement be mady by it then that. The confusing reason that make no sense statet after wards are just people asking to be not taken serious.
 
I truly hope FD will swiftly ban each and every one of these griefers before this game becomes like EVE.

And I say griefer because you logged into a private group, which is explicitly for PvE, to attack and destroy other players. That's sociopathic behaviour and should have consequences.

Private groups are not explicitly designed for PVE if that was the case you wouldn't be able to kill other cmdrs. You can create your own private group and define your own rules but that doesn't mean those rules overstep/precede frontier TOS or how the game works.

Gosh, I can't believe I am replying to such an ignorant comment.
 
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Private groups are not explicitly designed for PVE if that was the case you wouldn't be able to kill other cmdrs. You can create your own private group and define your own rules but that doesn't mean those rules overstep/precede frontier TOS or how the game works.

Gosh, I can't believe I am replying to such an ignorant comment.

but the same person repeatedly doing it IS against the TOS.
now you are right, you could buy a new copy of the game and FD would not be able to prove it is you and so would not be able to ban you. But that you think this means it is therefore ok by FD is some screwed up logic right there. Taking it to its logical conclusion that that means you think if FD cant catch you doing something then it is ok???

think about what that would mean for a second.

Personally I find it pathetic that someone would invade a PG in the 1st place... but once done, and then kicked, to go to such extremes as to do, or threaten to do, or even to consider doing the same thing again with another account just so that FD could not "catch" them breaking the TOS.... that is desperately sad.

FD have said invaders doing it once they do not like, but will not ban.... but if they are caught doing it AGAIN then they will take action as they then consider it griefing. I guess it is a like a 2 strike policy, act a once and you get the benefit of the doubt.
 
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but the same person repeatedly doing it IS against the TOS.
now you are right, you could buy a new copy of the game and FD would not be able to prove it is you and so would not be able to ban you. But that you think this means it is therefore ok by FD is some screwed up logic right there. Taking it to its logical conclusion that that means you think if FD cant catch you doing something then it is ok???

think about what that would mean for a second.

Personally I find it pathetic that someone would invade a PG in the 1st place... but once done, and then kicked, to go to such extremes as to do, or threaten to do, or even to consider doing the same thing again with another account just so that FD could not "catch" them breaking the TOS.... that is desperately sad.

They can easily find out if you have an alt account, believe me we tested it with cheap re-sold russian steam keys for 99 cents.
 
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