Sarcasm aside, I mentioned no-one in particular in my post, it was a more general attitude I was getting at, gotta admit though, hit pretty close to the mark for a misfire
My open letter to Fdev
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Sarcasm aside, I mentioned no-one in particular in my post, it was a more general attitude I was getting at, gotta admit though, hit pretty close to the mark for a misfire
It can't be an exploit when it's clearly an intended behaviour of the system.
Using the BGS to shut down the CG, regardless of individual attitudes to the actions (personally, I was heartened to see that after 20 months less attentive members of the broader community are starting to learn the importance of the sim), was an exploit - using one aspect of the game to break another. The fact that FD immediately stepped in to fix it is evidence enough.
Consider that 20 months of forum whine of various volumes, squeaky-wheeling and mode invasion attempting to draw FD's attention to the "issue" of mode-switching has resulted in nothing, save the devs saying the modes aren't going to go away.
It's not an exploit; it's a core feature of the game.
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Edit deleted as misread your postSarcasm aside, I mentioned no-one in particular in my post, it was a more general attitude I was getting at, gotta admit though, hit pretty close to the mark for a misfire
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It was not an exploit, what it was, was an unexpected consequence introduced that had not appeared before.
Calling it an exploit is wrong, rather it was an error left by development, they reason they fixed it was because they didn't want it to occur.
That's some brilliant semantic gymnastics right there.
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PGs have only "gotten out of hand" because FD have not implemented the muktiple open modes with different rules sets they added PGs instead so of course when someone made a PG to try to create one of the modes people jumped at it
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Solo was dropped when they realized how much of the game was inputted through online means. The game without the online input was flying around and killing random NPC's. A very empty shell....and very poor experience.
The private groups only 'got out of hand' when the devs 'forgot' to add the features related to rulesets for those that ran the modes. The PG's were supposed to be both public and private..with ways to control the way people interacted with each other and the ability for owners to maintain control over their members.
Certain group owners are definitely victims of their own success...but that is because of the lack of 'real tools' to manage their groups with.
They don't need multiple types of Open, you have fully Open which is Open, Private Group (your select friends) and Solo end of and thats what there should be, we don't need to split the games timeframe population any further.
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I don't think FD ever intended a private group to have as many members as mobius, thats why we ran into issues, it was meant to be small a group of friends for example, they aren't going to infiltrate and back stab each other. The issue is you guys believe your right in that when your wrong but anything anyone with any relation to PvP is always wrong.
The introduction of lockdown was not an exploit <I think that part of the players action was actually brilliant!>...however, it was an oversight by the devs. That oversight was corrected once they realized that the lockdown broke the CG. Apparently, the BGS should not interfere with CG activities in such a manner. Whether anyone can agree with the resulting action of the devs...doesn't matter. They did what they did...and will fix the problem so the BGS is unattached from CG's and everyone will continue on their way....
The point is (and was) that exploits are unintended consequences of coding actions. All of them.
Compare it to O/S/G, where mode switching clearly is an intended consequence of the code. Zac's on record somewhere saying the devs are going to change the code to ensure that it never happens again.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
Compare it to O/S/G, where mode switching clearly is an intended consequence of the code. Zac's on record somewhere saying the devs are going to change the code to ensure that it never happens again.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
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1. Part of the KS was an offering of various modes...with changeable switches to allow groups, public and private to be formed that had various rulesets. The devs have failed to bring this to market, yet.
2. The limit of group size was roughly 20k. So...there's that. I have no problem with PvP players...I play with a bunch of them and spend a lot of my time in Open, still. The problem that is before the community, IMHO, is whether we, as a community should accept that the shenanigans of players should interfere with people in Private Groups..particularly in 'public' groups where the stated rule is 'anything goes..except undesired PVP'. Since these players have been shouted down since the beginning of the game to 'go play with themselves'...they have. Now that people are lonely for shenanigans, they have to go in and mess with those they chased of to start with. I don't think this is a good thing...and feel that the community agrees. You might not..and that's your opinion.
What I DO know is, that this games PVP is set up with a built in negative feedback loop. The more players that act on the desire to be bad actors...the more the community will find shelter away from them. So, in a nutshell...the more problems you create for people...the lonelier you are going to be. So, after all this...I personally, do not care if you really go all out and kill every player in every player group you can get into....because in the end...they will continue to enjoy the game where they are playing...and you will leave out of frustration.
Unexpected consequence... aka a glitch.. and taking advantage of a glitch is an exploit.. so calling it an exploit is not wrong.
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PVP isn't wrong, but forcing those who do not want to participate in PVP is. You say we are wrong yet we are not the ones trying to force our playstyle on others nor claiming to be the victims after doing so.
I fly in open and I could not care any [EXPLETIVE DELETED] less about people in solo/private groups affecting the state of the galaxy. Even if everyone was forced to fly open, could any particular group hope to control the myriad forces pulling and pushing galactic politics one way or another? I highly doubt it. And pilots flying for Mobius aren't all pledged for the Federation in lockstep. There are Imperials and Alliance Mobius pilots in addition to Federals. And I actually witnessed an Alliance pledged Type 6 in Segovan dropping off stuff for the CG in open, so not every pilot contributing to the CG is a Fed. It seems like the main people complaining about "open vs solo/PG" are pilots who prefer to engage in pvp, and they are not in the majority. And I've noticed the most belligerent people on the forums and in the black tend to be Imperials. They tend to be the most aggressive and yet love to cloak themselves in the guise of being victims of Federal aggression.
Who are you to say what they need or what it should be? The point is regardless of if you want them or not the multiple open groups with different rules WAS promised. Perhaps FD expected PGs to be small groups of mates and that would be fine....... IF FD implemented the modes they promised. Until then Möbius and others like him do their best to give the features currently lacking in the game.
As someone who has no need of a large player group of pve it is arrogant of you to say it's not needed. CLEARLY needed for a great many of us. Stop ramming your play style down my throat and trying to break the game for me. If there are not enough players in open, if you feel undermined by players you can't blow up well tough that is the game you bought.
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Now you understand what and why we did invade mobius back in january. I would like congratulate the 13th legion for having the damn balls to do what is right. I applause your heroism and actions. Frontier needs to separate private/solo from open on a different shard/server with it's own BGS.
This cannot continue.
This cannot continue.
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I believe that the data that FD has on playstyles and who does what where will ultimately influence their decisions on future development.
Anything else is purely conjecture.
An exploit of a mechanic within the game was found. It was fixed promptly. Not because of hand wavy God Magic, but because of a larger picture within the background and storytelling that FD wish to pursue. For all our futures.
The amount of churlish behaviour in these forums is astounding.
The hypocrisy, the blatant lies, the deliberate twisting of rule interpretation and gameplay, the animosity between groups and the egotistical grandstanding is equally astounding and most disturbing.
I for one, while recognising minor imbalances and flaws in gameplay will respect FDs decisions and plans for future development.
I might disagree, I might even argue, but I at least have the decency and respect to allow them the final word. This is their game, their development, their vision. I trust in them to bring the game that I want to play, the game that I bought and understood.
The game that has different playstyles, that embraces a diverse community and gives them an arena in which to stretch their imaginations.
Not one that limits, that bullies or harasses, nor enforces, one playstyle over another.
Stop fighting, get on with YOUR game. What other players do does not concern you. It does not effect you, in the long run, FD makes the calls, FD makes the decisions, FD leads the way.
PvPers, just play pvp with pvp likeminded folks, there's enough of you to get on with it, stop dictating to others. And observe, here is the very example that your forced pvp did nothing, your engagement with the BGS did everything.
Pvers, just play with PVE, and like minded folks, stop engaging the pvper's, stop rising to the bait and falling for the trolling.
Explorers... Carry on.
Just give peace a chance, the galaxy is big enough.
Anything else is purely conjecture.
An exploit of a mechanic within the game was found. It was fixed promptly. Not because of hand wavy God Magic, but because of a larger picture within the background and storytelling that FD wish to pursue. For all our futures.
The amount of churlish behaviour in these forums is astounding.
The hypocrisy, the blatant lies, the deliberate twisting of rule interpretation and gameplay, the animosity between groups and the egotistical grandstanding is equally astounding and most disturbing.
I for one, while recognising minor imbalances and flaws in gameplay will respect FDs decisions and plans for future development.
I might disagree, I might even argue, but I at least have the decency and respect to allow them the final word. This is their game, their development, their vision. I trust in them to bring the game that I want to play, the game that I bought and understood.
The game that has different playstyles, that embraces a diverse community and gives them an arena in which to stretch their imaginations.
Not one that limits, that bullies or harasses, nor enforces, one playstyle over another.
Stop fighting, get on with YOUR game. What other players do does not concern you. It does not effect you, in the long run, FD makes the calls, FD makes the decisions, FD leads the way.
PvPers, just play pvp with pvp likeminded folks, there's enough of you to get on with it, stop dictating to others. And observe, here is the very example that your forced pvp did nothing, your engagement with the BGS did everything.
Pvers, just play with PVE, and like minded folks, stop engaging the pvper's, stop rising to the bait and falling for the trolling.
Explorers... Carry on.
Just give peace a chance, the galaxy is big enough.
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Oh please... Heroism and actions? The balls to do something? You are describing things like taking an enemy machine gun nest, holding the line against overwhelming force, or or sacrificing yourself to ensure your squad makes it out of a firefight.... equating them to the actions of a minor group whose only accomplishment is sneaking into a private group to hit soft targets that they knew wouldn't engage them. There is no heroism.. no action.. and definitely no balls....just a sad failed attempt to force things neither FDev or majority of the playerbase want
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