Astronomy / Space NASA changing names of planets and other heavenly bodies.

[Turd Ferguson]

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

But say I was talking to the lady and calling her a goat and she wasn't getting offended. Suddenly another lady appears out of nowhere and starts calling me out for saying "goat" even though that word wasn't directed at her at all and it was also not meant as an insult. She has no reason to be offended because I am not calling her a goat and I am also not using goat as an insult.

That is between you and the other lady.

The same situation is described in the OP. NASA is calling a certain astronomical body a name - the body obviously doesn't mind being called that, that name is not meant as an insult and it is not directed at any person or group of people, only at the body. Therefore people who are offended have no reason to be offended.

Look, there was an old man who lived up the road from me when I was a kid. He had a black dog and he named it The N word, he would shout that word out across the park. The dog didn't mind but the West Indian family that lived in the same block of flats as him, they didn't like it. Was it ok for him to do that? It's only a word. He was talking to the dog, not the family? I think not, I believe that term was a bad one when used by white people. It may have ben acceptable in society at one point (by those using it) but that changed. Things do.

Go and watch interviews with Malcolm X, James Baldwin and others in the 60's, the interviewer asking them about 'negro' issues. An acceptable term to whites at the time. Not now.

There is always the pendulum working. Slavery and racist terms were deemed by the ruling classes at some point as ok, the pendulum swings the other way in a clumsy attempt to correct these things. It is the same for anything in life. The hope is, it settles in the middle somewhere where we can all get on with life.

Some may feel the pendulum has swung too far, well, it had quite a run up.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

As I said. You can't even get that right.

Ok boomer

 

[Old Duck]

NGC 2392 will no longer be referred to as the Eskimo Nebula

Wait... Naming a nebula after the Eskimos is considered racist these days? I'd be honored to have a nebula named after me. They can feel free to call it "Old Duck Nebula", I won't complain!

 

[Hopix]

isn't dwarf considered a slur already or does it depend on how u use it?

I don't know. I lost interest in what terminology was and wasn't offensive quite a few years ago.

 

[Old Duck]

Generally in life, if someone says they find something offensive, I steer clear of it, not through fear but respect. If we all just respected each other more, the world would be a better place.

I find "Okay boomer" offensive, so please steer clear of it. But if you don't, I won't melt.

ps - I am not a boomer.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

I find "Okay boomer" offensive, so please steer clear of it. But if you don't, I won't melt.

ps - I am not a boomer.

Ok Ducky. I expect you’ll get some grief though, now you’ve been offended by words.

 

[Old Duck]

Ok Ducky. I expect you’ll get some grief though, now you’ve been offended by words.

As long as that grief doesn't come from you, otherwise you'll end up being the biggest hypocrite in this thread.

 

[Bottom Hat]

Ah ok. That even makes some sense.
If people now would stop call us Hobos, quakers and whatnot out here in Colonia please...

Billy no mates.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

As long as that grief doesn't come from you, otherwise you'll end up being the biggest hypocrite in this thread.

It won’t, so I won’t, don’t worry.

 

[Mrat13]

Is there any way to delete twitter from existence?

 

[Deleted member 257907]

Is there any way to delete twitter from existence?

build a time travel device and stop it from being born.

 

[Old Duck]

Is there any way to delete twitter from existence?

Hold your finger on the icon until it starts to wiggle, and then tap the little X.

 

[Bottom Hat]

build a time travel device and stop it from being born.

Locate nearest window.

Launch phone through it.

 

[Alien]

That is between you and the other lady.



Look, there was an old man who lived up the road from me when I was a kid. He had a black dog and he named it The N word, he would shout that word out across the park. The dog didn't mind but the West Indian family that lived in the same block of flats as him, they didn't like it. Was it ok for him to do that? It's only a word. He was talking to the dog, not the family? I think not, I believe that term was a bad one when used by white people. It may have ben acceptable in society at one point (by those using it) but that changed. Things do.

Go and watch interviews with Malcolm X, James Baldwin and others in the 60's, the interviewer asking them about 'negro' issues. An acceptable term to whites at the time. Not now.

There is always the pendulum working. Slavery and racist terms were deemed by the ruling classes at some point as ok, the pendulum swings the other way in a clumsy attempt to correct these things. It is the same for anything in life. The hope is, it settles in the middle somewhere where we can all get on with life.

Some may feel the pendulum has swung too far, well, it had quite a run up.

Ok, I have some experience upsetting people, both intenionally, and unintentionally .... all this PC nonsense comes down to two things ...
1. If the one using the term/word/thing is being offensive
2. If the one on the receiving end of the the term,/word/thing is offended.

A nebula was named by a group responsible for deciding the names of astronomical bodies. So we have to answer those two points ... were they being offensive in naming the nebula the "Eskimo Nebula"? And who is being offended by the name?

So
1. Was the naming meant offensively? No.
2. Are the Inuit peoples, commonly referred to as "Eskimoes" offended? Have THEY made a complaint? That's the real question. Because if the answer is no, then NASA have no case for changing it, and anyone who isn't in that group referred to as "Eskimoes" have no case for being offended, and have no authority to be offended on someone else's behalf.

 

[galahad2069]

Ok, I have some experience upsetting people, both intenionally, and unintentionally .... all this PC nonsense comes down to two things ...
1. If the one using the term/word/thing is being offensive
2. If the one on the receiving end of the the term,/word/thing is offended.

A nebula was named by a group responsible for deciding the names of astronomical bodies. So we have to answer those two points ... were they being offensive in naming the nebula the "Eskimo Nebula"? And who is being offended by the name?

So
1. Was the naming meant offensively? No.
2. Are the Inuit peoples, commonly referred to as "Eskimoes" offended? Have THEY made a complaint? That's the real question. Because if the answer is no, then NASA have no case for changing it, and anyone who isn't in that group referred to as "Eskimoes" have no case for being offended, and have no authority to be offended on someone else's behalf.

Yes, people who live far up North and thus string snow shoes pretty regularly must feel totally offended because some other people who used to live further South (and therefore virtually never were in need of stringing snow shoes themselves - they were Algonquin-speaking native Americans, the French borrowed the word from one of those languages IIRC) call them "people who string snow shoes", I get it.

 

[Bottom Hat]

Ok, I have some experience upsetting people, both intenionally, and unintentionally .... all this PC nonsense comes down to two things ...
1. If the one using the term/word/thing is being offensive
2. If the one on the receiving end of the the term,/word/thing is offended.

A nebula was named by a group responsible for deciding the names of astronomical bodies. So we have to answer those two points ... were they being offensive in naming the nebula the "Eskimo Nebula"? And who is being offended by the name?

So
1. Was the naming meant offensively? No.
2. Are the Inuit peoples, commonly referred to as "Eskimoes" offended? Have THEY made a complaint? That's the real question. Because if the answer is no, then NASA have no case for changing it, and anyone who isn't in that group referred to as "Eskimoes" have no case for being offended, and have no authority to be offended on someone else's behalf.

I'm offended that you didn't directly insult me.


(Ps - I suffer from the same thing - insulting people intentionally or unintentionally!)

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

2. Are the Inuit peoples, commonly referred to as "Eskimoes" offended? Have THEY made a complaint? That's the real question.

Agreed.

Because if the answer is no, then NASA have no case for changing it, and anyone who isn't in that group referred to as "Eskimoes" have no case for being offended, and have no authority to be offended on someone else's behalf.

And if they did express the notion that that term is offensive? What then?

 

[umbabrahattasil]

Because we didn't all agree to it. And like I said, it's a dark path to go down.

Since when do all of "us" need to agree on it? Why do you think our opinions are important or matter at all? Are we the ones at NASA cataloging objects? No? Then no one cares - you and I are not that important. This is a video game forum .

This forum has a lot of the same entitlement that's akin to what social media has given some people, thinking we all deserve a platform and that our opinions should be listened to.

 

[umbabrahattasil]

can someone tell me when elite universe split from our universe?

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q10jfKjEIN0

edit:

NASA to Reexamine Nicknames for Cosmic Objects - NASA

Distant cosmic objects such as planets, galaxies, and nebulae are sometimes referred to by the scientific community with unofficial nicknames. As the

www.nasa.gov

tldw:
NASA is reevaluation the names by which they refer to astronomical objects .
NGC 2392 will no longer be referred to as the Eskimo Nebula
NGC 4567 and NGC 4568 will no longer be referred to as the Siamese Twins Galaxies
etc.

This is quite interesting. As a side note, why is R Kelly playing ED and keeping up with space news? Shouldn't he be in jail for abusing women and minors by now?