Astronomy / Space NASA changing names of planets and other heavenly bodies.

[Deleted member 257907]

Agreed.



And if they did express the notion that that term is offensive? What then?
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Since when do all of "us" need to agree on it? Why do you think our opinions are important or matter at all? Are we the ones at NASA cataloging objects? No? Then no one cares - you and I are not that important. This is a video game forum what are you doing.

This forum has a lot of the same entitlement that's akin to what social media has given some people, thinking we all deserve a platform and that our opinions should be listened to.

that used to be how language worked. (we agree on a word and use it)
nowadays language is forced upon us wheter agree or not.

 

[Old Duck]

And if they did express the notion that that term is offensive? What then?

Assuming "they" is a democratic representation of that people group, then personally I'd be fine with NASA changing the name. I would be curious as to why they are offended, as I think of naming nebula as an honorary rather than derogatory action. I'm pretty sure nobody would support there being a " Nebula" since we would consider that bestowing an undue honor to a terrible organization.

 

[Bigmaec]

Assuming "they" is a democratic representation of that people group, then personally I'd be fine with NASA changing the name. I would be curious as to why they are offended, as I think of naming nebula as an honorary rather than derogatory action. I'm pretty sure nobody would support there being a " Nebula" since we would consider that bestowing an undue honor to a terrible organization.

It's the same like with all racial stereotyping.
It implies all eskimos wear a parka and a hood.

 

[Mrat13]

It's the same like with all racial stereotyping.
It implies all eskimos wear a parka and a hood.

The only person implying that is you....

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

that used to be how language worked. (we agree on a word and use it)
nowadays language is forced upon us wheter agree or not.

Horseradish mate. We never had meetings and votes on words. You're making it up. So when the master used to call his slaves the N word, they had all agreed to that had they?

I would be curious as to why they are offended, as I think of naming nebula as an honorary rather than derogatory action.

Well I'm sure it is not the act of naming something, perhaps it is the very term itself. You asked me to 'steer clear' of a term you find offensive, I won't ask you why, frankly, none of my business, same for this group of people, if they deem the term offensive, then offensive it is, not for me to question it. That is respectful.

Imagine back in the day NASA had named something the 'Negro Belt', we wouldn't be sitting around wondering why that was offensive, we should know. Perhaps we all get to learn something. Good for us.

 

[shreddog]

It seems that NASA could do with some jobs restructuring..

 

[Old Duck]

It's the same like with all racial stereotyping.
It implies all eskimos wear a parka and a hood.

Are you choosing to be offended on their behalf, or are they themselves offended? SJWs (usually white people of privilege) do a disservice to real racial issues when they turn EVERYTHING into an offense, especially when they do so without the consent / blessing of the group they are supposedly speaking for.

Now if this does indeed offend the people for whom it's named after, then like I said, I support NASA changing the name. Heck, I don't really much care what they call anything up there, it's not like I drive by this nebula to work every day.

 

[Bigmaec]

Are you choosing to be offended on their behalf, or are they themselves offended? SJWs (usually people of white privilege) do a disservice to real racial issues when they turn EVERYTHING into an offense, especially when they do so without the consent / blessing of the group they are supposedly speaking for.

Now if this does indeed offend the people for whom it's named after, then like I said, I support NASA changing the name. Heck, I don't really much care what they call anything up there, it's not like I drive by this nebula to work every day.

I personally don't care, I continue to say (and eat) 'Negerküsse' anyways.
But I bet someone is offended, and it's a slippery slope.

 

[Mrat13]

I personally don't care, I continue to say (and eat) 'Negerküsse' anyways.
But I bet someone is offended, and it's a slippery slope.

You forgot the part where they talk about the slippery slope 'fallacy', lol.

 

[galahad2069]

Since when do all of "us" need to agree on it? Why do you think our opinions are important or matter at all? Are we the ones at NASA cataloging objects? No? Then no one cares - you're not that important, get over it.

Assuming "they" is a democratic representation of that people group, then personally I'd be fine with NASA changing the name. I would be curious as to why they are offended, as I think of naming nebula as an honorary rather than derogatory action. I'm pretty sure nobody would support there being a " Nebula" since we would consider that bestowing an undue honor to a terrible organization.

Funny thing is that NASA is not even in the position of changing astronomical nomenclature, this is not their job or responsibility.
Even funnier, 'Eskimo Nebula' is not even an official name of NGC 2392, it's just a common name because, well, it looks like an Eskimo, which is not an offensive term ofc, only an exonym used for various indigenous people living in a certain region (originally given by some other Native American people and later borrowed to various languages without the least bit of offensive intent).

I get that a certain group of these people (namely the Inuits) seem to prefer to be called by their endonym (it's only a slight problem that - similarly to endonyms of a number of other native American nations - the 'Inuit' endonym means simply 'people', I wonder how long it will take for some other people to get offended by the exclusionist nature of such names, lol), but it has very little to do with the poor planetary nebula caled by this totally non-offensive name, it's much more about the virtue signalling of a few leftist idiots at NASA.

 

[Deleted member 257907]

Horseradish mate. We never had meetings and votes on words. You're making it up. So when the master used to call his slaves the N word, they had all agreed to that had they?

Language people use is written down in a dictionary.
The N-word is still in the dictionary, removing it will not stop people from using it.
If people stop using the word for long enough for it to become irrelevant it'll eventually dissappear from the dictionaries.
So people do get the vote by using or not using certain words.
forcing language might seem like the more progressive thing to do but it'll never work.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Language people use is written down in a dictionary.
The N-word is still in the dictionary, removing it will not stop people from using it.
If people stop using the word for long enough for it to become irrelevant it'll eventually dissappear from the dictionaries.

Well I was responding to this:

that used to be how language worked. (we agree on a word and use it)

Our language is not governed by the dictionary, it's a guide to words, it explains them, it's only a rule book for spelling and even then, we break those rules text speak, KWIM?. We can use words in it, not in it, words that were in it.

Make your mind up, first you say we all agree to words and use them now you say it's the dictionary that dictates what words we use. Unless you're saying we all get a vote on what goes in the dictionary? I must have missed my invite.

 

[VR Jay Le Chardon]

Pluto is ninth planet!

(No idea if I'm on topic, didn't watch the video and OP offered no tl'dw)

I, and the Duchess Le Chardon 110% approve this sentiment.

You wouldn't believe it but the same poopoo is happening in the software development industry as well - apparently people are very offended that some programming languages use the terms "master" and "slave" and demand that they are changed to something "not so offensive". It's amusing at this point.

Not just programming languages, but many engineering things as well. Mabe we should give up this oppressive and discrimination technology and go back to being hunter gatherers to appease the sensitivities of others?

I mean there is a reason we don't call something negro nebula or chinese virus.
But this will go into politics and I like my account...

Come on Bruv, it's not a real account unless it's got a few infractions. I myself am on 10, probably going to be 11 when a mod reads this post and gives me another warning for debating moderator actions, to match one or two like that I already have.

What skin off of your nose does it matter if a planet name gets changed? How does that impact your life? What are you losing by it?

OK - this one starts a snowball rolling - quite apt given it seems to have been posted by someone who later in the thread shows signs of being a "snowflake"...

It doesn't. I object to pandering to snowflake requests.

Edit: And that argument can easily be turned round. What does it matter what it's called? Why should someone who takes umbrage at something for no reason cause many others work to have to update data, star charts, etc.?

I 100% agree, pandering to snowflakes it simply encourages them to be even more petulant and entitled and sets a dangerous precedent for future "issues". (Storms they whip up in a teacup"

It offends you?



No reason, in your opinion.



Ah, you’re worried for other people. ‘Some’ other people.

What you’re demonstrating is a hypocritical view. You’re allowed to be offended but others are not because you consider your reasons valid and theirs not.

It’s only a name, cool your boots.

OK - so let me get this right - you are saying you are offended by something, therefore, it needs to be changed, yet when someone else is offended you refuse to acknowledge their right to be offended, and call THEM a hypocrite?

Wiping history and removing anything that's even slightly related to racism and slavery isn't going to help put an end to injustice. Being Irish I have never found someone non-Irish who used the word "Mick" insulting, despite it being an offensive term used by Americans in the 19th and early 20th centuries to call Irish immigrants, because it's obviously not used as an insult. So isn't a planet name or a term in programming languages. I'm sure neither NASA nor the Python Foundation used certain terms specifically to offend someone.

I've often wondered if we are erasing these "bad men" from history, as in the people who made their fortune with a hand in slavery and philanthropically built colleges/universities/hospitals with some of that money and were immortalised in statue form for such philanthropy, are we also going to close the colleges/universities/hospitals that they built with their illgotten gains?

I've known Irish lads to refer to themselves collectively a paddys, and as a West Coast Scottish lad I get called a "jock" or within Scotland I'm tagged as a "Weegy" (Corruption of Glaswegian" and this

There is always the pendulum working. Slavery and racist terms were deemed by the ruling classes at some point as ok, the pendulum swings the other way in a clumsy attempt to correct these things. It is the same for anything in life. The hope is, it settles in the middle somewhere where we can all get on with life.

This is the only sensible thing you've said in 5 pages of thread.

Ok boomer

OK - lemme get this straight, y'all's now using a denigrating term on someone you don't know nowt about, don't even know if they fit the demographic that term slurs, and you are doing this while trying to hold the high moral ground defending that "hill" with all the vehemence of a warrior, all beit a Social Justice Warrior, and a hypocritical one at that.

Wait... Naming a nebula after the Eskimos is considered racist these days? I'd be honored to have a nebula named after me. They can feel free to call it "Old Duck Nebula", I won't complain!

People actually PAY to name celestial bodies - I'm just a mere clanky glorified spanner monkey (mechanical engineer) - I'd settle for Le Chardon's Comet - a nebule? Dang, that's way outta my league!

Wait - what, someone's rejected it, gimme gimme gimme I'll have it!

As long as that grief doesn't come from you, otherwise you'll end up being the biggest hypocrite in this thread.

That ship's already sailed, SJW OK BOOMER left the harbour a couple of pages ago.

Locate nearest window.

Launch phone through it.

Tip - this doesn't work for bungalow dwellers.

Ok, I have some experience upsetting people, both intenionally, and unintentionally .... all this PC nonsense comes down to two things ...
1. If the one using the term/word/thing is being offensive
2. If the one on the receiving end of the the term,/word/thing is offended.

A nebula was named by a group responsible for deciding the names of astronomical bodies. So we have to answer those two points ... were they being offensive in naming the nebula the "Eskimo Nebula"? And who is being offended by the name?

So
1. Was the naming meant offensively? No.
2. Are the Inuit peoples, commonly referred to as "Eskimoes" offended? Have THEY made a complaint? That's the real question. Because if the answer is no, then NASA have no case for changing it, and anyone who isn't in that group referred to as "Eskimoes" have no case for being offended, and have no authority to be offended on someone else's behalf.

@Alien - we've crossed swords on this forum a few times, but you've got my backing on this one, that post is perfectly logical and has compassion on the table waiting to assuage any sensitivities were they valid and grounded, and as you say, unless the Inuit / Eskimoes complain, no one has the right to make such a sweeping change. Heck, it could even be a slight taking the name away from the nebula, robbing them of an honour. I know Old Duck and I would kill for a nebula to be named after us, maybe the Eskimos felt the same way, has anyone asked them?

But if there was a genuine complaint from the Eskimoes/Inuit, we'd be willing to support the new nomenclature, but if this rename is just a knee-jerk reaction to the latest thing a snowflake SJW has found as a potential source of outrage around which they have gotten themselves worked up, I think you'd back my notion of telling them to take a valium and have a nap to calm down. Or maybe you might be more "enlightened" and suggest a vegan smoothie and listen to a new age panpipe album?

Horseradish mate. We never had meetings and votes on words. You're making it up. So when the master used to call his slaves the N word, they had all agreed to that had they?



Well I'm sure it is not the act of naming something, perhaps it is the very term itself. You asked me to 'steer clear' of a term you find offensive, I won't ask you why, frankly, none of my business, same for this group of people, if they deem the term offensive, then offensive it is, not for me to question it. That is respectful.

Imagine back in the day NASA had named something the 'Negro Belt', we wouldn't be sitting around wondering why that was offensive, we should know. Perhaps we all get to learn something. Good for us.

Agian, no one's entitled to an opinion if it doesn't meet your deluded hypocritical "ethically responsible" standards.

@XloubellXX You've probably noticed a lot of forum users have recently changed their forum name to include a VR prefix, if you'd like it, I could show you how to do that so you can add a SJW prefix?

 

[Bottom Hat]

This is quite interesting. As a side note, why is R Kelly playing ED and keeping up with space news? Shouldn't he be in jail for abusing women and minors by now?

He believes he can fly....

I personally don't care, I continue to say (and eat) 'Negerküsse' anyways.
But I bet someone is offended, and it's a slippery slope.

I'm horrifically offended.

For no reason other than you gave me an opportunity to be annoying

 

[Bottom Hat]

I, and the Duchess Le Chardon 110% approve this sentiment.


Not just programming languages, but many engineering things as well. Mabe we should give up this oppressive and discrimination technology and go back to being hunter gatherers to appease the sensitivities of others?


Come on Bruv, it's not a real account unless it's got a few infractions. I myself am on 10, probably going to be 11 when a mod reads this post and gives me another warning for debating moderator actions, to match one or two like that I already have.


OK - this one starts a snowball rolling - quite apt given it seems to have been posted by someone who later in the thread shows signs of being a "snowflake"...


I 100% agree, pandering to snowflakes it simply encourages them to be even more petulant and entitled and sets a dangerous precedent for future "issues". (Storms they whip up in a teacup"

OK - so let me get this right - you are saying you are offended by something, therefore, it needs to be changed, yet when someone else is offended you refuse to acknowledge their right to be offended, and call THEM a hypocrite?


I've often wondered if we are erasing these "bad men" from history, as in the people who made their fortune with a hand in slavery and philanthropically built colleges/universities/hospitals with some of that money and were immortalised in statue form for such philanthropy, are we also going to close the colleges/universities/hospitals that they built with their illgotten gains?

I've known Irish lads to refer to themselves collectively a paddys, and as a West Coast Scottish lad I get called a "jock" or within Scotland I'm tagged as a "Weegy" (Corruption of Glaswegian" and this

This is the only sensible thing you've said in 5 pages of thread.


OK - lemme get this straight, y'all's now using a denigrating term on someone you don't know nowt about, don't even know if they fit the demographic that term slurs, and you are doing this while trying to hold the high moral ground defending that "hill" with all the vehemence of a warrior, all beit a Social Justice Warrior, and a hypocritical one at that.


People actually PAY to name celestial bodies - I'm just a mere clanky glorified spanner monkey (mechanical engineer) - I'd settle for Le Chardon's Comet - a nebule? Dang, that's way outta my league!

Wait - what, someone's rejected it, gimme gimme gimme I'll have it!


That ship's already sailed, SJW OK BOOMER left the harbour a couple of pages ago.


Tip - this doesn't work for bungalow dwellers.


@Alien - we've crossed swords on this forum a few times, but you've got my backing on this one, that post is perfectly logical and has compassion on the table waiting to assuage any sensitivities were they valid and grounded, and as you say, unless the Inuit / Eskimoes complain, no one has the right to make such a sweeping change. Heck, it could even be a slight taking the name away from the nebula, robbing them of an honour. I know Old Duck and I would kill for a nebula to be named after us, maybe the Eskimos felt the same way, has anyone asked them?

But if there was a genuine complaint from the Eskimoes/Inuit, we'd be willing to support the new nomenclature, but if this rename is just a knee-jerk reaction to the latest thing a snowflake SJW has found as a potential source of outrage around which they have gotten themselves worked up, I think you'd back my notion of telling them to take a valium and have a nap to calm down. Or maybe you might be more "enlightened" and suggest a vegan smoothie and listen to a new age panpipe album?


Agian, no one's entitled to an opinion if it doesn't meet your deluded hypocritical "ethically responsible" standards.

@XloubellXX You've probably noticed a lot of forum users have recently changed their forum name to include a VR prefix, if you'd like it, I could show you how to do that so you can add a SJW prefix?

Darned bungalow dwellers!

I was going to say Troglodytes, but I think that might break the tone of the thread!

 

[Remus]

Back to see the topic moved to OT as predicted!

 

[Deleted member 257907]

Back to see the topic moved to OT as predicted!

Now I understand what you mean by OT xD

 

[Remus]

Now I understand what you mean by OT xD

 

[Deleted member 257907]

I seriously thought it was about my question when the universe of elite splits from our universe in lore and that by OT you mean Original Timeline or somethings XD XD
The original trilogy

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

OK - this one starts a snowball rolling - quite apt given it seems to have been posted by someone who later in the thread shows signs of being a "snowflake"...

Whatevs mate, like I said earlier, I don't get offended when people call me names.

OK - so let me get this right - you are saying you are offended by something, therefore, it needs to be changed, yet when someone else is offended you refuse to acknowledge their right to be offended, and call THEM a hypocrite?

No, I already said in this thread, I don't get offended when people call me names. I also didn't say anything about changing anything. I simply pointed out the funny side of being upset about a change in name of anything, because the change in name was brought about by someone being upset. Same behaviour, different sides.

Not at one point in this thread have I said anything about me being offended by anything.

OK - lemme get this straight, y'all's now using a denigrating term on someone you don't know nowt about, don't even know if they fit the demographic that term slurs, and you are doing this while trying to hold the high moral ground defending that "hill" with all the vehemence of a warrior, all beit a Social Justice Warrior, and a hypocritical one at that.

Boomer in and of itself is not a derogatory term, as I'm sure you know, it's a term to describe a generation and the era they were born in. I myself would be categorised as 'Generation X'.

FYI, the term you're talking about, doesn't have to be aimed at someone in that demographic, that was the point of the whole thing. That is what made it so funny. I guess that passed you by.

Agian, no one's entitled to an opinion if it doesn't meet your deluded hypocritical "ethically responsible" standards.

Not saying that. First they tried to tell me, as fact, that we all agreed on words and that's why we use them, then they tried to tell me that what we say is governed by the dictionary, as fact. They were actually offering an opinion dressed up as facts. As the saying goes, you can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts.

@XloubellXX You've probably noticed a lot of forum users have recently changed their forum name to include a VR prefix, if you'd like it, I could show you how to do that so you can add a SJW prefix?

I'm ok thanks, it's a symbol and as George Carlin said, I leave symbols to the symbol minded.

You might want to classify me as a snowflake or SJW (both terms I believe you mean in a negative sense), I don't really care how you pigeon hole me, if it helps you along, good for you. I don't classify myself as anything in particular. I'm male, white and I suppose I would admit to being human, though that depends on who or what I was talking to.

Just to clarify, if someone finds a term offensive, for whatever reason, I have no problem with trying to avoid it, I don't see it as being forced into something or me giving up any sort of freedom, it's simply about respecting someone eles's wishes. If someone's offence causes another person offence, I find that intriguing because so often the claim is 'being offended is a choice', but that is rarely headed by someone is offended by political correctness, the so called cancel culture and what boils down to, common decency, then those particular offended people never seem to see 'offence being a choice'.

I don't work for NASA
I didn't make any laws or rules
I didn't say at any point I was offended by anything

Glad we cleared that up.