New 25 essential habitat animals META-WISHLIST

Cynogale bennettii II

Cynogale bennettii II
Would love to see both the wolverine and the beaver. An increasing number of zoos in the UK are getting both species. I honestly can't decide which I would rather have more.
 
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KatrineB

KatrineB
random goat said:
The "Elk" in the meta-wishlist is the North American elk (aka wapiti aka Cervus canadensis). I'll clarify it on the list.
I assumed the few people (only 2 or 3) who voted for "Elk" without specifying meant the Cervus canadensis. I wouldn't say all the Europeans associate the word "elk" with the European moose. As you markun have posted yourself, that's mainly a thing in the Northern European countries, afaik. Maybe it's just me but when I first learnt about Alces alces, the English name I associated it with was "moose" and not "elk".
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My guess is that most Europeans would be referring to the alces alces when writing or saying the word Elk.

I believe this to be the case because a lot of languages spoken in European has a name similar to Elk for the alces alces. These include: elg, elch, älg, élan, eland, alce, elgur.
 

Bearcat9948

Bearcat9948
random goat said:
I've discussed this with some other people already. I appreciate these suggestions and I know they are formulated from a good-faith standpoint. But...
I have to draw a strict line to delimitate the category of animals I'm including in the meta-wishlist. In this sense, I think the most objective and less controversial category to classify the animals in this context is the animal species. I know some people can be more picky about specific leopard or wolf subspecies than about lynx or sloth species. But if start making exceptions of this rule some animals would be treated unfairly compared to others, and the meta-wishlist could potentially turn into a mess.
Suppse we merge all lynxes. Now, should we do the same with the otters, the deers, the gazelles? Should we include siamang inside a superior "gibbon" category? Imo from the moment you deviate from the common and scientific category of animal species, everything starts being subjective and people will complain one way or the other.
This way, of course people will raise concerns about the potential of mixing species and what not, like you did, but the system at least remains consistent and in accordance with molecular biology/genetics.
In the case of animals that are already in-game, I do allow people who vote for subspecies because again I reckon people can be quite picky and want an additional zebra, wolf or whatever.

Anyhow, I would not worry too much. If Frontier devs do take this list into consideration, they are smart enough to figure out that all the lynxes (or other animal) mixed make up for a top animal choice.
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Just to give a little bit more clarity here.... all of the leopards are subspecies of one overall species, that being leopard. Taxon being Panthera pardus. All subspecies fall under this taxon, for instance the Arabian leopard is Panthera pardus tulliana.

The Eurasian lynx and Iberian lynx are tricky, as one might assume that the Iberian lynx is a subspecies of the former, but it's actually recognized as it's own unique species. So if someone voted for instance, for a Carpathian lynx, that would be acceptable to add as a caveat under "Eurasian lynx" because that is a subspecies of that species.

Haven't checked through the whole list to see if any species/subspecies slipped through the cracks, but I can do that at some point today if I get free time. RG is pretty sharp though so I wouldn't think there would be many if any. Taxonomy is pretty tricky though, so you can't be mad if there are. Frontier struggles with taxonomy quite a bit
 

random goat

random goat
KatrineB said:
My guess is that most Europeans would be referring to the alces alces when writing or saying the word Elk.

I believe this to be the case because a lot of languages spoken in European has a name similar to Elk for the alces alces. These include: elg, elch, älg, élan, eland, alce, elgur.
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It might be the case. But on top of making the list, I can't also ask each person what speficic animal they're referring to everytime. They should specify their choice very clearly if they want their vote to be casted accordingly. For instance, I am from an European country myself and I've recently lived in another one, and when I looked for the word "elk" in google or wikipedia all the search results referred to Cervus canadensis. That country I lived in was France, where the Alces alces is called "élan".
Not directed at you KatrineB but I cannot put myself in the position of a Swiss, Bulgarian, Namibian, Argentinian, Cambodian, etc. person everyime someone posts a list. People should use the English most common 'agreed' name of the animal, and if there is not a clear one, people should specify. I've dealt with some (I guess very regional/local) animal names or mistranslations of which I had to do quite some research myself in order to know what specific species people are referring to. From top of my head I remember things like Moroccan gazelle, desert ostrich, sea cow, dendrolagus, Seneca white deer, miniature donkey, coney, woodchuck. These take me like 5x more time to add to the list because of the (sometimes fruitless) research and because they're not grouped together with the other votes of said animal when I sort all the votes in alphabetical order (to make it easier).
 

Birini

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random goat said:
It might be the case. But on top of making the list, I can't also ask each person what speficic animal they're referring to everytime. They should specify their choice very clearly if they want their vote to be casted accordingly. For instance, I am from an European country myself and I've recently lived in another one, and when I looked for the word "elk" in google or wikipedia all the search results referred to Cervus canadensis. That country I lived in was France, where the Alces alces is called "élan".
Not directed at you KatrineB but I cannot put myself in the position of a Swiss, Bulgarian, Namibian, Argentinian, Cambodian, etc. person everyime someone posts a list. People should use the English most common 'agreed' name of the animal, and if there is not a clear one, people should specify. I've dealt with some (I guess very regional/local) animal names or mistranslations of which I had to do quite some research myself in order to know what specific species people are referring to. From top of my head I remember things like Moroccan gazelle, desert ostrich, sea cow, dendrolagus, Seneca white deer, miniature donkey, coney, woodchuck. These take me like 5x more time to add to the list because of the (sometimes fruitless) research and because they're not grouped together with the other votes of said animal when I sort all the votes in alphabetical order (to make it easier).
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This seems an unreasonable position to take, especially given that you have literally no other important things happening in your life just now and the cool million bucks you’ve already pocketed from maintaining the list.
 

paul78

paul78
Definitely some surprises on the list. I’m glad the European badger is doing relatively well. The North American black bear seems to be the most requested bear option at the moment. And another animal I’m personally a big fan of the great white pelican is doing better then I thought it would atm. The top ten is pretty much what I’d expect with the exception of the horse. Don’t get me wrong it’s a great animal I want to make the roster but I had it pegged as a top 15-20 animal. The black rhino which I’m also a huge fan of is not doing to well atm but I’m still confident it’s got a good shot to make the game and if it doesn’t I’m more then happy to have received the white rhino.
 

NZFanatic

NZFanatic
paul78 said:
Definitely some surprises on the list. I’m glad the European badger is doing relatively well. The North American black bear seems to be the most requested bear option at the moment. And another animal I’m personally a big fan of the great white pelican is doing better then I thought it would atm. The top ten is pretty much what I’d expect with the exception of the horse. Don’t get me wrong it’s a great animal I want to make the roster but I had it pegged as a top 15-20 animal. The black rhino which I’m also a huge fan of is not doing to well atm but I’m still confident it’s got a good shot to make the game and if it doesn’t I’m more then happy to have received the white rhino.
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In the rhino's case I'd say that it's because prior to the Africa Pack most rhino requests were overwhelmingly for "one of the African rhinos". We got one, so the other falls to the wayside now.
 

jcp011c

jcp011c
NZFanatic said:
In the rhino's case I'd say that it's because prior to the Africa Pack most rhino requests were overwhelmingly for "one of the African rhinos". We got one, so the other falls to the wayside now.
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Exactly my thought as well. I imagine quite a few species may take a plunge if/when a next list is done, if we've already gotten another species of the same type of animal in. The Leopard being a prime example. It's already happened with the otter, and I imagine it would have happened with the penguin as well, except we already got a second species - making a third species comparatively redundant (highest penguin now only have 7 votes so far). For me, there's very rarely a need for a third (sub? - I get confused) species of one particular type of animal - rhinos, tigers, penguins, wolves - and I imagine that's the case with many people. Oddly enough bears seem to be exempt from that though.
 

IndianRhino19

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Here’s mine:
1. Black Rhinoceros
2. Dromedary Camel
3. Nile Crocodile
4. African Leopard
5. Northern white-cheeked Gibbon
6. Black Howler Monkey
7. American Alligator
8. Red Deer
9. Emu
10. Tasmanian Devil
11. American Black Bear
12. California Sea Lion
13. North American River Otter
14. Beaver
15. Elk
16. Moose
17. Cougar
18. Capybara
19. White-tailed Deer
20. Sandhill Crane
 
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Crusher55 said:
I kinda disagree with this. For example, adding the South China tiger would be adding members of a population that’s the same subspecies as the bengal and Siberian tigers.
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I agree there are bad inclusions. Some people want whales, mythological creatures, and farm animals...all choices I would objectively say are bad choices lol. But I like that they include different subspecies of tigers. Taxonomy is extremely confusing.

So there's two subspecies of tigers; Panthera tigris tigris (which has five more subspecies) and Panthera tigris sondaica (which has 1 extant subspecies). And due to the recent innovations developed in genetics, taxonomies are constantly being rewritten and changed.
 

NZFanatic

NZFanatic
Crusher55 said:
I kinda disagree with this. For example, adding the South China tiger would be adding members of a population that’s the same subspecies as the bengal and Siberian tigers.
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I understand your POV but I agree with Konig. I'd buy a pack that was only tiger subspecies if such a thing came about. I don't care - more animals is more animals. Naturally we have to assume there's a limit to the content, so we don't pine for these 'extra' species/subspecies/subpops, but at the end of the day there isn't a single animal I genuinely don't want.

Edit: I should clarify, there are animals that I genuinely don't want in the game, but these are animals that have never been kept in captivity successfully or never will be kept for whatever reason. You can't build a realistic zoo with animals that aren't in zoos.
 
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