In this video. David Braven actually describe the exactly problem that they are having in Odyssey.
New Planet Tech is KILLER of Exploration (all terrain is tiling/repeating/not procedural/random)
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That's true. However the other side is - how many planets of the same class one can visit in Horizons before encountering this very same strong "deja vu" feeling? What is the criteria of "dullness"?
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Another point about "chaos". What I see in the EDO terrain generation is that most of the separate regions are homogeneous. That is, if a region contains "mozaics", then those mozaics will be quite uniform across that region. Similarly for what I call the "pimply hills", and the "crowded hills". This uniformity is the antithesis of chaos. I would expect to see much more variation in the concentrations. For example a "pimply hills" region should have higher concentrations in some parts of that region. There would be concentrated clusters is some parts. Other parts would be very sparse. I don't see much of this in EDO, unfortunately.
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I agree. The difference is stark. In Horizons we had amazing heightmaps, therefore stunning mountains, canyons, valleys, cliffs. In EDO, we've been given the finer detail - all the things I mentioned above - but unfortunately this largely replaced what Horizons provided, rather than adding to it.
https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/38725
While we discussing Broken Teck... Any chance you guys can add your voice to the above issue regarding lighting tech on planets. It has been discussed on this thread a number of times, but for the life of me, I can't find anything on the Issue tracker - so I've added my own.
While we discussing Broken Teck... Any chance you guys can add your voice to the above issue regarding lighting tech on planets. It has been discussed on this thread a number of times, but for the life of me, I can't find anything on the Issue tracker - so I've added my own.
In Horizon I never felt the "deja vu" feeling. Sure, a lot of planet where uninteresting and dull. But somehow never felt "the same" to me.
In Odyssey it kicked hard very soon.
There is a difference between dull and deja vu. The former is to be expected, and is actually important for the "wow" time (you can't have unique planet if they are all unique I guess). The later is to be avoided because it's bad in itself, but also immersion breaking.
Hm. It definitely tints the ground. Maybe it's connected to the star's distance/brightness?https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/38725
While we discussing Broken Teck... Any chance you guys can add your voice to the above issue regarding lighting tech on planets. It has been discussed on this thread a number of times, but for the life of me, I can't find anything on the Issue tracker - so I've added my own.
Or it's an artistic choice to not paint the entire landscape red? I get your meaning though.
I saw the disconnect between reflection / highlight only if there is more than one star in the system.
The engine then still picks one as the main light (as in Horizons) and only uses that for tinting, reflections etc.
No idea what the criteria are for picking the main star.
I think it doesn't actually.I saw the disconnect between reflection / highlight only if there is more than one star in the system.
The engine then still picks one as the main light (as in Horizons) and only uses that for tinting, reflections etc.
No idea what the criteria are for picking the main star.
I landed on a small moon near a dim purple brown dwarf, and the moon was bathed in its purplish light. It was pretty far from the main star, which was an M-class.
System is Eotienses.
Landed on planet C 1.
As I said, i don't know which criteria are used but in your sample this just means the nearer one was selected.
You can also see this on shadows, visit a system with two or more suns and land somewhere on a planet near the sun's. You should have as many shadows as there are suns visible on the horizon.
I still get only one shadow everytime.
I think the one shadow thing is the choice (light sources) that Dr Kay said was an artistic one.
Yes - but what star it that. Mine was a F type White. If this was around a L Dwarf, then yes, you get the colour of the star, but you should get the colour you are seeing. Red sky should colourise the landscape. In fact, that was one of the teaser images given to us just before Alpha closed:
Yeah. There was also a statement about that on the Discovery Scanner stream. Still only one shadow allowed.
Yes. I didn't say anything else.Yes - but what star it that. Mine was a F type White. If this was around a L Dwarf, then yes, you get the colour of the star, but you should get the colour you are seeing. Red sky should colourise the landscape. In fact, that was one of the teaser images given to us just before Alpha closed:
I wouldn't mind some more tinting on surfaces based on light-colour. It's there, but it's not very pronounced. I also contributed to the issue tracker thing with a picture that's more obvious.
Thank you, sir!
How many bodies have you visited in Horizons? I've visited many thousands on 3 accounts and noticed, very frequently the same crater at 12 o'clock on the same featureless and bland bodies. I always assumed they only used a limited library of body styles... Oh, just like Odyssey!
... some of them were even to do with the game!
I'm sorry, is it supposed to be a way to say there are no issue ? Because you admit there is one, then act like it shouldn't be fixed ? I'm confused.
And yeah I visited lots of planets, and never saw the same crater copy pasted, even less than in Odyssey, where it's on around 1/3 of metallic bodies. So, to quote someone :
... some of them were even to do with the game!
So you never, ever, saw the same crater in Horizons, despite your ingrained pattern recognition ability? That surprises me.
Never mind. We only 'see' what we wish, obviously.
We all know there are issues with Odyssey - but anyone who has done any lengthy 'exploration' in Horizons in the past few years would also have noticed repeating features, surely, or is it that I am able to see these things where the rest are blinded by nostalgia?
Nope. Lots of dull planet in Horizon, sure. Boring, bland, whatever. But nothing that felt repetitive. I mean, bland means repetitive by itself, but for another reason entirely.
Indeed.
I have been playing only for a few months. I'll need a bit more to develop any sense of nostalgia.
And if I can play a few months without noticing a pattern, I can safely say even if there is one, then it's entirely ok. I played a few hours in Odyssey before noticing patterns. The crater, for example, is pretty much everywhere.