No New "Bubble" Please

First of all, early exploration on earth was difficult due to the large distances involved using the technology of the time, e.g. sail ships, no longitude, primitive compasses, maps with blank areas.

Once places were discovered, people migrated to these new lands to create better lives for themselves. Think the pilgrim fathers and the New World.

With the settlement of these discovered lands there became a need for improved travelling technology.

At the time of this expansion there existed lores in different cultures. Some people used these to oppose expansion/migration, others seized the opportunity because of that lore.

All of the above can be mapped to 3302.

Expansoon into space will be seen as opportunity by some cmdrs while others will oppose.

The large LY distances will encourage the development of new FSDs and new ships.

Secondly, the current bubble didn't exist until the human race decided to leave earth and reach for the stars. Exploration and settlement created what we know as the bubble.

And then there is the Missing. Did they crash? Are the ships now the modern day equivalent of the Marie Celeste? Is there a space Bermuda Triangle?

Maybe the Missing found a place to settle. Perhaps they have evolved into a new human species. Or, heaven forbid evolved into the Thargoids. After all has anyone seen a Thargoid?

And in case anyone says Jaques Station is where it is due to circumstance and accident, so was the discovery of America.
 
I'm hoping it gets as big as we want to make it. I'm hoping one day anyone can, with enough effort in meeting requirements, start a little bubble of their own anywhere they want.

It doesn't have anything to do with what we want or achieve. Its 100% in hands of those frontier employees who decide cgs, story etc.
 
I'm not sure if you're being serious with this post or not.

Game-wise, I feel no real compelling reasons for humanity to deserve my allegiance. I'm a nice guy though, so I try and help out where I can, when I think help is justified. I'd have no problem helping Thargoinds either.

Expansion for the sake of expansion doesn't really appeal to me. I prefer a more sustainable balance and natural order.

You're looking for a game that doesn't take place in space, then. As a primary reason, among other things, humanity seeks to colonize space by expanding into it. You should try Minecraft, it's all about sandbox without the whole brainy-thinking stuff.
 
You're looking for a game that doesn't take place in space, then. As a primary reason, among other things, humanity seeks to colonize space by expanding into it. You should try Minecraft, it's all about sandbox without the whole brainy-thinking stuff.

Haha... OK. I do happen to enjoy Minecraft, though for different reasons. On the other hand, it could be argued that that game's game-play is much more about expansion and colonization than what is in Elite.

Sorry to disappoint, but I haven't been punishing myself nor straining my mental aptitude or lack thereof by hauling cargo out to Jaques Station to help it out and perhaps hoping for an outpost of humanity that makes sense lore-wise and contains new elements and maybe even eventually game mechanics.
 
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94 ly if I remember correctly. But it was the only human made ship with class 4 military drive and you could only get it through the quest. Later you got a Thargoid ship with range 660. 20 - 25 ly was realy great in Elite 3 for very ranged ships. My Asp had 18 and I thought that's a lot.

I like the idea of bubble 2. The Sol bubble was done purely by Fdev, this one can develop through community. It can have different mechanics, another method of power play, be more exploration oriented. And this bubble can soon hit 10, 100 systems or so and stop right there, just a smaller version of the big bubble.

Should it become bigger, I would very much like the idea of a jump gate, or preferably a discovery of a wormhole, which would reduce the journey to some 5000 ly or something like that.

Wormhole should only happen if its possible science wise.
As the only thing that is able to break science is human tech and aliens , everything that is nature has to follow natures rule set in game.

As for a jump gate... I dont know , the devs said ''no , but never say never'' but I feel that a jump gate would cheapen the scale of the galaxy.

However maybe a system were big ships make a jump from one part of the galaxy to another once a week.

I think one of the things elite is missing right now is exclusion.
Yes its a horrible thing to say but in elite dangerous everyone can have everything without even trying , and I feel that a second buble would become a sort of club for the elite of the elite.
 
Mh, do you remember the Elite 1984. There we had 8 galaxies. I think I´d be ok with 8 bubbles.
Look at the small size of the bubble in relation to the milky way ... I would not like to see humans everywhere in the galaxy, but even SOME bubbles would motivate some players to explore while hopping to another bubble. The distance between the bubbles would be huge even with a dozen bubbles equally spread in the galaxy.

Imagine the possibilities, more high payed long range missions between the bubbles or the announced touristic cruises. Jaques CG is a first test.

And don´t forget the Thargoids I think they will get their own bubble or bases (it´s already there seemingly).
Maybe we get to take them over (a large scale powerplay) and form more of our own bubbles.

A single bubble is a waste of space. When I first saw the game I wondered why our bubble is so small (what´s it like? 300ly in diameter max?). That´s nothing.
I think FDevs have great plans for us.
 
Its called EXPANSION! And this kind of thing is LONG OVERDUE!

Besides the advantages of having another high traffic area like the original, that area where the station is located looks a hell of a lot more interesting than where the original is placed. While I personally am unlikely to ever go there because the distance with existing FSD ranges would be way too much of a jump grind, I think the game needs something like this to keep things interesting.
 
I believe the term expansion has been used in this thread already to help clarify what we're all talking about. ;)

Thanks for providing your feedback all the same, guys. I wasn't sure if anyone really even wanted a second "bubble," such as it is, in the game.

We'll need a lot of human reproduction to occur in short order to fill the population demands of copying all of humanity over to another location. Get busy. :D
 
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Since fd drew in a bunch of players who have a mentality that can't deal with things taking time to do, fsd's now routinely exceed 30ly. Sometimes over 40. A separate bubble thousands of ly away is a good way to make the galaxy large again.

So absent of that, fsd's should be nerfed back so that 100ly is a big deal.

If 100LY is a big deal to you now or before engineers, then son, I got some bad news for ya: You aint cut out to be no explorer.
 
If 100LY is a big deal to you now or before engineers, then son, I got some bad news for ya: You aint cut out to be no explorer.

Sounded like he was suggesting that maybe it should be a big deal, not that it is one. Might have been exaggerating a bit too. These things happen.
 
A new bubble opens a variety of opportunities that the actual one does not have; imagine that we discover new powerfull minerals that takes engineer modifications to a next level... only mined in very especific "bubble 2" planets.... we encounter new advanced lifeforms and start a comercial relationship.. giving the players that help that new race the oportunity to adquire those new ships (ala Elite Frontier). a new kind of engineer appears, one that can develope new modules to be used for science and must be used in multy-crew... like spatial spectrometers, or planet core scanners or cave mappers... there is so much that the devs can do with a virgin terrytory that does not alter the delicate BGS that already is in motion in our bubble... a new bubble means variety... and player choice.. i´m all in for a new Bubble...
 
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A new bubble opens a variety of opportunities that the actual one does not have; imagine that we discover new powerfull minerals that takes engineer modifications to a next level... only mined in very especific "bubble 2" planets.... we encounter new advanced lifeforms and start a comercial relationship.. giving the players that help that new race the oportunity to adquire those new ships (ala Elite Frontier). a new kind of engineer appears, one that can develope new modules to be used for science and must be used in multy-crew... like spatial spectrometers, or planet core scanners or cave mappers... there is so much that the devs can do with a virgin terrytory that does not alter the delicate BGS that already is in motion in our bubble... a new bubble means variety... and player choice.. i´m all in for a new Bubble...

I'm interested in many of these sort of possibilities unfolding over time as well. As stated in the OP, I may be just arguing semantics here, i.e., when I'm referring to the "bubble" I'm talking about all of human colonized space near Sol.

I don't see a lore related need, incentive, nor rational and realistic chance of creating a new "bubble" out in some remote location just because Jaques Station fell out of witch space there.

Sure, maybe in a few hundred years there could be a full galactic Power equivalent there with many different factions, etc.
 
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Didn't read last couple of pages, sorry.

But,

FD announced some time ago now that player initiated colonisation was going to be a thing. My assumption is that this new bubble will be to test the mechanics of that, without danger of screwing up the existing bubble. As a key member of SEPP and the explorers nation, I'm all for this. Please just lets leave the superpowers and the powerplay puppets and their puppeteers out of our new playground.
 
Might just be arguing semantics, but I'd rather not have the same old just at a remote location out near the galactic core. I think it's an important distinction though as it's related to how people view it and the meaning, lore, and appeal behind it.

A group of exploration and research base stations that end up being self sufficient is near the extent I would personally care for and find compelling and meaningful. I'm thinking something along the lines of the camps and research stations set up in Antarctica.

Expansion into a remote location just for the kicks of it isn't appealing to me at all. It seems fairly artificial, contrived, and frankly rather narrow minded.

On the other hand, something that might make more sense given the circumstances... How much thought was really given to evacuating Jaques Station? Granted, this is somewhat of a rhetorical question. But, should it be?

We'll see how this all plays out, of course. I'm just hoping for perhaps a bit more substance and a bit less pageantry.

Your thoughts?

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PS: Still on my way with 216t. Hope to make it within the week.

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Further clarification of what I mean...

When I'm referring to the "bubble" I'm talking about the volume of all of human colonized space near Sol, most of which is empty, and some of which still contains undiscovered virgin stellar systems.

I don't see a lore related need, incentive, nor rational and realistic chance of creating a new "bubble" out in some remote location just because Jaques Station fell out of witch space there.

Sure, maybe in a few hundred years there could be a full galactic Power equivalent there with many different factions, etc.

First, I don't think it will be a bubble similar to the original one. It will be a several mining outposts and colonies dotted around the place, maybe slowly growing, but I doubt it will exceed a several dozen systems.

Second, if you don't want it, why are you participating in building it?

Third, what's it to you anyway? :p It's 22kLY away. You can just ignore it.
 
I think building up some outposts or the like out there would be pretty cool.

Other than that, Jaques needs help. And being the sort of person and explorer that I am, I'm the right person for the job. [up]
 
I think building up some outposts or the like out there would be pretty cool.

Other than that, Jaques needs help. And being the sort of person and explorer that I am, I'm the right person for the job. [up]

Okay. I don't understand, then. But it's probably because it's six in the morning..
 
For further clarification of what I've apparently rather unsuccessfully trying to get at, I updated the OP with Erimus's response to the thread and my response to that.

Apologies if I've come across as insulting anyone in particular. That wasn't my intent.
 
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