Sometimes a touch of Stalinism is not a bad thing
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.
Opps got a bit carried away there, now where were we?
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No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]
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Sometimes a touch of Stalinism is not a bad thing
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.
Opps got a bit carried away there, now where were we?
Okay, fair enough. I only said probably anyway. I will wait to see it before I believe it though.
We seem to have strayed rather far off topic again don't we guys.
DRM is only tangentially relevant in the context of if its possible for them to satisfy their Kickstarter pledge. Given that an offline mode could easily have anti piracy measures built in discussing the rights and wrongs of it is not relevant either. *edit* and discussions of communist vs capitalist philosophy is so far off topic that it would need a compass and map to have any hope of ever finding it again.
On topic, Another plus point in favor of an offline mode is that mission timers would no longer need to be tied to real time. Where in the online game its sensible (and probably even necessary to the background simulation) for mission timers to run out in real time, in an offline version the mission timer and indeed all universe progress stops when you log out. The great thing about that is for busy folks like myself you can't always guarantee when you take a mission or two that you will actually be able to stay at your computer and complete them. Its great when you can give a game hours of your time uninterrupted, sadly I've found that such opportunities tend to diminish with age. While I still ensure I make plenty of time to enjoy playing games I am much less able to guarantee any particular session. This is just another way in which having both online and offline modes compliments the game and allows it to be enjoyed in as many ways and by as many people as possible.
DRM is only tangentially relevant in the context of if its possible for them to satisfy their Kickstarter pledge. Given that an offline mode could easily have anti piracy measures built in discussing the rights and wrongs of it is not relevant either. *edit* and discussions of communist vs capitalist philosophy is so far off topic that it would need a compass and map to have any hope of ever finding it again.
On topic, Another plus point in favor of an offline mode is that mission timers would no longer need to be tied to real time. Where in the online game its sensible (and probably even necessary to the background simulation) for mission timers to run out in real time, in an offline version the mission timer and indeed all universe progress stops when you log out. The great thing about that is for busy folks like myself you can't always guarantee when you take a mission or two that you will actually be able to stay at your computer and complete them. Its great when you can give a game hours of your time uninterrupted, sadly I've found that such opportunities tend to diminish with age. While I still ensure I make plenty of time to enjoy playing games I am much less able to guarantee any particular session. This is just another way in which having both online and offline modes compliments the game and allows it to be enjoyed in as many ways and by as many people as possible.
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I'm sorry, but I don't see why you think it's silly.
I have exposed my reasons for wanting this game to have an offline mode quite clearly, I believe, and I also agree with the ones exposed by other people; none of them have anything to do with the particular century we live in.
As for the first part, no, sorry, in any case it would be copyright infringement, not theft. Completely different beasts, both legally and morally.
Sometimes a touch of Stalinism is not a bad thing
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.
Opps got a bit carried away there, now where were we?
You were elaborating on your willingness to do away with those who do not agree with you, and forgetting that they may one day come for you.
Oh, most definitely.
After this whole debacle I wouldn't trust Braben as far as I could throw him either.
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ohh the propaganda is strong with this one...
Forget the old "with us or against us" speech by the leader of the "free world " just a few years ago did we?
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that we prefer the group over the individual. We curtail our desire to benefit all members of the group. It's called the social contract. Seeing that Piracy is against the good of the whole (i.e. content producers eventually do not produce content because they are better off stocking shelves in supermarkets) it is ergo against human nature and leans more towards animal. Sorry if that sounds harsh, it's not intended as a slap in your personal face. Please don't take it that way.
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"Wake up Neo. Knock knock..."
Whatever you say chief, people can press the little rewind symbol and see the exact context of the discussion for themselves. It's crystal clear to me.
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No Godwin here, thank you, even via a reference to Martin Niemöller.
Stay on topic, and remember this from Mr M Brookes higher in the thread:
Wouldn't it be actually good if ED got pirated?
Imagine you'd pirate the game, played it, found it nice, then looked it up a bit more, only to learn that the online version not only has other players (duh), but also more features.
Looks like a solid way to get some additional customers on board for me.
And not only those who buy because they feel bad about having pirated the game, but also those who now are infected and want more.
Chance missed.
Imagine you'd pirate the game, played it, found it nice, then looked it up a bit more, only to learn that the online version not only has other players (duh), but also more features.
Looks like a solid way to get some additional customers on board for me.
And not only those who buy because they feel bad about having pirated the game, but also those who now are infected and want more.
Chance missed.
Except that it is very much founded.
Read it in the words of the man himself:
"Ownership" by David Braben
"Action We Can Take On The Pre-owned Problem" by David Braben
From the list at the bottom of the last article:
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5. Make the discs just data discs costing say, £5, perhaps containing an extended demo, but requiring online validation to become a full game (eg by withholding the executable file), even for the first user.
6. Move to online-only. This is where the retailers seem to want us to go after all, so perhaps it’s time to make the jump.
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David Braben is clearly one of DRM's stronger supporters. Everything that David Braben and company said about supporting offline and DRM-free was a complete, purposeful lie.
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In reply to Mikey2305 post #1534 (the forum won't let me quote yet)
I used Seonid's link from post #9710 in the first thread and got 64 windows of names at 17/18 names per view, giving over a 1,000 different contributors.
As for five minutes of play, I decided to wait until it was finished, but that'll probably be enough for FD to deny a refund.
I used Seonid's link from post #9710 in the first thread and got 64 windows of names at 17/18 names per view, giving over a 1,000 different contributors.
As for five minutes of play, I decided to wait until it was finished, but that'll probably be enough for FD to deny a refund.
i am not quite sure i understand your response. you are saying considering features at the pre development stage was just a cash grab?
Here, I will save them the trouble. It started here.
People will just hack the code and use whatever ship paint job they want to in offline mode...ohh wait
Oh, so then I guess it must be true that the real reason there is no offline mode, is because they wanted a DRM.
Never recover? This will be a minor blip in the history of the game before long. Those who can't stomach a living and changing sandbox will be gone, but that is it.
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Thats NOT what Trading Standards told me
The product purchased HAS TO BE the product delivered AND has to be "FIT FOR THE PURPOSE IT WAS PURCHASED"....IF not the the customer is GUARANTEED a refund by consumer law By refusing refunds FD is breaking more than one UK consumer law, dont know about the rest of the world. Also, being as the product has not been released, for them to DENY a refund is clearly unlawful and opens FD up to a LOT of "stuff"I paid for my copy, and got one for a friend (+skins). I want extremely strong moderation and anti cracking features.
Not controlling the legitimancy and integrity of the clients in MMO Elite would suck beyond measure.
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