No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]
- Thread starter Brett C
- Start date
- Status
No, there was never any impression that Elite would be a DRM-free game. The disk in the collectors edition box doesn't have any DRM, but the game was always going to have login identification.
Thanks for the links to Brabens stance on DRM. I think it makes it pretty obvious to me that he never intended to honour the DRM-free offline single player mode he had promised to get his project running.
I wish I had seen that article before pledging to his project, as I wouldn't have pledged then, knowing his stance.
I wish I had seen that article before pledging to his project, as I wouldn't have pledged then, knowing his stance.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous
Physical DRM-free boxed edition of "Elite: Dangerous" plus all rewards above (please note: the disc in the pack is simply an alternative way to install the game - it will have the same online account code whether installed off disc or downloaded digitally).
Last edited by a moderator:
Quote Originally Posted by David Braben (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=60284):
I really have to restrain from laughing out loud: A "hard decision" is one where you have to make a sacrifice yourself. The only thing Frontier did was getting rid of a feature without returning the money to the people who payed for it. But "you have to meke hard decisions" sure sounds good - John Wayne style.
Best regards
phila
I really have to restrain from laughing out loud: A "hard decision" is one where you have to make a sacrifice yourself. The only thing Frontier did was getting rid of a feature without returning the money to the people who payed for it. But "you have to meke hard decisions" sure sounds good - John Wayne style.
Best regards
phila
Last edited:
That's DRM.
AKA no securom etc. on it. No more, no less.
Last edited by a moderator:
"Will the game be DRM-free?
Yes, the game code will not include DRM (Digital Rights Management), but there will be server authentication when you connect for multiplayer and/or updates and to synchronise with the server.
Last updated: Mon, Dec 10 2012 11:54 AM +00:00"
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous
Last edited by a moderator:
What changed since that point was that online multiplayer was intended to be server auth'd and offline was to be DRM free and local, and now *everything* is server auth'd, including solo. Which conflicts with the premise of DRM-free.
+1 rep...again...well stated
Hmmm. A hard decision can be one where you know there is going to be fallout either way. The world is not just about money. As it is, he lost reputation, and who knows whether he knew this was going to happen to him?
He states clearly that the game code will be distributed DRM-free - I'm gonna go with the guy coding the game (and 25 years of coding and game making experience) as to whether that will live up to his promised reward or not.
Never really understood why people get so hung up on DRM, I can understand the arguments for offline (which in all fairness was something that I was interested in), but DRM, who cares? You've purchased the game, unless it somehow stops you playing the game what does it matter?
Interested in an explanation from someone against it, if there is a sensible one.
G
Interested in an explanation from someone against it, if there is a sensible one.
G
People will just hack the code and use whatever ship paint job they want to in offline mode...ohh wait
And it is a glorious thing indeed! It is exactly that feature that has allowed fans to use official StarCitizen assets pulled from the game to create so much more content then CIG could ever do on their own.
That content then spreads and reaches people that had never heard of them. It really is a good thing. That is the future, not locked down, centrally controlled DRM.
The beauty of actually embracing true DRM-free and offline support, is that you give enable a whole new generation to collaborate with you. Modding individuals and sometimes entire group have joined the developer later on after doing something truly awesome. Everyone wins.
It's because it's the one possible chance they can claim back their KS pledges if he fails to deliver the 'reward'
edit: I'm saying 'claim' because I suspect that some people might get refunded anyways as a goodwill gesture - so it's just people stamping their feet and saying that their legal threats have some basis.
2nd edit: I also suspect that those who've shown to have a large online presence and already used their product (the beta) extensively will be shown the door.
Last edited:
They never said DRM free for the game, just regarding the disc in the collectors edition box, which was never going to be a separate product, but exactly the same thing as what you can download from the website.
If this was real life, one of us would leave the room at this point, as I would not stand for that kind of behavior.
Last edited by a moderator:
I am in 100% agreement with you, @Wyzak
Can I stick my hand up and point out that logging on to the server is a form of subscription? This method looks so much like any other subscription based software that's going around (Adobe CC, Microsoft Office365.) Whether or not in name this is in fact signing in to a subscription. Because I can go to any one of your PCs and if Elite Dangerous is installed, I can log on to it with my password and play my commander, right?
Microsoft has done with keys to unlock their software years ago. Hence Office 365 is DRM free - you can download it and install it anywhere, but you have to log in to use it properly. That's subscription, not DRM.
Microsoft has done with keys to unlock their software years ago. Hence Office 365 is DRM free - you can download it and install it anywhere, but you have to log in to use it properly. That's subscription, not DRM.
OK, I'll try:
DRM is supposed to stop piracy.
It doesn't (it's always circumvented, eventually; often sooner rather than later).
What it does is add points of failure (as does online-only).
DRM doesn't inconvenience pirates (cracked versions don't have DRM).
It inconveniences legitimate users (more points of failure mean more failures).
When someone purchases a product, it doesn't work because of DRM, customer service treats them like a criminal, and they are forced to use a crack to access the product they bought, there's a good chance that they won't bother paying the next time. At least for a product by the same producer (who is therefore also harmed by their decision to infect their product with DRM).
Last edited:
- Status