Funny thing is, it seems you used to believe they were both the same thing, according to this conversation at least...
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Funny thing is, it seems you used to believe they were both the same thing, according to this conversation at least...
Allow me to quickly bulletize, I mean no disrespect.
1. The off-line thing is very real. I need only look at my own situation (explained in this thread pages back) to know that this is true across the board. It would be silly if only my situation is legit and the rest are treated like bandwagon-jumpers or something. There are many reasons to opt for games offering an off-line component, and believe you me, even those who do offer it need to be researched deeply, to avoid buying games with a five hour tutorial for the competitive multi-player. It's not easy buying games when you're in a position where constant internet access is just not in the books.
2. I agree, that one is a bit reachy... yet people still play the old Elites. And Elite: Dangerous just became an item with expiry date. And that's nothing but the truth.
3. DRM. It doesn't affect me as much as it does other people. If I like a game, and it fits my requirements, I buy it. I've never felt as if my identity as a gamer was being infringed, or that my human rights were being pilfered and ravaged. The debate it interesting, but the anti-DRM people behave like atheïsts, while I rather stay agnostic on the topic.
4. Timing does matter a whole lot. If I may sin with a car analogy.., if you wreck my car, I rather have that you tell me upfront than that you wait till ask my carkeys back. In the former I ask if you didn't hurt yourself, in the latter I damage in you in ways a carwreck never could. This situation is no different.
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Me too, but I don't like buying DRM-Free games that end having DRM. I would have bought it the same, but I would not feel disappointed.
ED quoted to say their game is DRM free and in the same sentence state you will need to authenticate to play online. This is stated before offline mode is proposed, if I read the posts correctly, above.
Yet you still backed the game.
Despite FD defining DRM differently to your own definition.
Yup, I'm with the above poster. Bowing out of this one. You win. Good luck with the refund.
Edit: and now I see you'd have bought the game anyway. All that was purely arguing semantics?
Ugh. Lesson learned.
Yet you still backed the game.
Despite FD defining DRM differently to your own definition.
Yup, I'm with the above poster. Bowing out of this one. You win. Good luck with the refund.
Edit: and now I see you'd have bought the game anyway. All that was purely arguing semantics?
Ugh. Lesson learned.
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That you didn't read the fine print to begin with. They contemplated offline both updating and possibly, maybe syncing with the server (they said they'd investigate), which by your definition constitutes DRM. Okay, fine, you can disagree and say that actually does constitute DRM. Many reputable organizations on this issue would agree with you.
But that doesn't change the fact that you backed whether through Kickstarter, the Alpha or the Beta regardless. They told you up front that to do the above, you had to authenticate, and that the game was DRM-free. In your mind, without offline, it can't be DRM-free, and that's another broken promise. All I'm saying is that what they've delivered on the DRM FAQ was as stated. No ambiguity.
Finally, I'll leave it to Frontier to say whether or not they still consider the game to be DRM-free or not. As you note, there was a major "but" after the code being DRM-free.
When I bought this game single player offline and DRM-Free was a feature, if in the beginning DRM-Free was clearly misused to talk about multiplayer has nothing to do with that.
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While updating and syncing with server was not mandatory it is not DRM. You also have to login into GOG in order to update GOG games, but you can play without doing it.
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DRM free means being able to copy games without needing to connect to an authentication server to play it... Like most Paradox Interactive games. Even though they are easy to pirate, I still buy them because I respect the developer and they respect me.
But this isn't really about DRM. Its not terrible to just be authenticating once to install a game as long as it is playable offline. The problem is requiring an internet connection to play every time.
But this isn't really about DRM. Its not terrible to just be authenticating once to install a game as long as it is playable offline. The problem is requiring an internet connection to play every time.
Wasn't dismissing the concerns or legitimacy of items 1.2. or 3. Understand better to know sooner rather then later. Still think a lot of people would feel the same way no matter when it was announced. If I pledged at KS $500 because of offline and its gone I am mad 2 months ago or now. In fact it is beyond me why you would wait so close to release. Don't believe its all about money. There going to be giving a lot more back now. Talk about shooting your self in the foot. Maybe FD really is just bad at PR.
I also think there are definite band-wagoners in this thread, here to make trouble for troubles sake.
We have had protests here in my city of Oakland. Most of the trouble is caused not by the people marching for the concern but outsiders that come in just to make trouble.
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There are a wide variety of restrictions that get labelled as DRM.
Your right to install/run the ED launcher anywhere is unrestricted. Your right to login to the game server from anywhere is unrestricted. The number of concurrent online sessions you can start is all down to how many copies of the game you own, but there's no restriction on that number either.
Nobody who backed the game and wants to see it thrive and expand would want everyone to be able to share a single account and play concurrently, surely? How will they pay the artists/coders/etc so you can play "floaty gun carnage" in zero-g, or sneaking around in an Orbis carrying out intriguing side missions like a less blocky version of Matt Damon?
I am disappointed in the lack of an offline mode on behalf of those who need it to be able to play the game at all, and those few people who don't have a practical way to play the game online should probably apply for (and be given) a refund.
However, I think that there are some folks crying foul and feigning outrage who are perfectly able to play online, but they either
Your right to install/run the ED launcher anywhere is unrestricted. Your right to login to the game server from anywhere is unrestricted. The number of concurrent online sessions you can start is all down to how many copies of the game you own, but there's no restriction on that number either.
Nobody who backed the game and wants to see it thrive and expand would want everyone to be able to share a single account and play concurrently, surely? How will they pay the artists/coders/etc so you can play "floaty gun carnage" in zero-g, or sneaking around in an Orbis carrying out intriguing side missions like a less blocky version of Matt Damon?
I am disappointed in the lack of an offline mode on behalf of those who need it to be able to play the game at all, and those few people who don't have a practical way to play the game online should probably apply for (and be given) a refund.
However, I think that there are some folks crying foul and feigning outrage who are perfectly able to play online, but they either
- think the beta is all there will ever be
- don't feel that the game is going to be to their personal taste after all
- spent too much to get in early (and want to repurchase a few months after launch when the price hopefully drops and the bulk of the features are hopefully patched in)
- burned out quick (and want to repurchase a few months after launch when the price hopefully drops and the bulk of the features are hopefully patched in)
- think that one of the numerous other space games in the pipeline is a better bet, and want to jump ship
- on a submarine
- down a mineshaft
- in a bunker
- in a Faraday Cage
- in an area served by Verizon
I agree with the feeling that Frontier waited as long as possible with dropping the bomb. Communicating the cut on release after the intial sales have been processed or something, would result in the press tearing them a new one.
And does open the door to other suspicions, as you mention. Now the inclusion of almost anything can be put to question and it will be hard to look at further news-updates without a hefty pair of 'yeah, right' glasses.
I've seen some media exposure on this, yeah. It seems to have little traction though.
The always online DRM question was brought up and discussed before the offline single player was offered as a part of the project. It went from a maybe to an update that yes there would be an offline mode.
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...erous/comments?cursor=1879344#comment-1879343
Then followed up by,
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...erous/comments?cursor=1883344#comment-1883343
See this, Win/Win. ( https://www.kickstarter.com/project...erous/comments?cursor=1883368#comment-1883367 )
"B1gdeano on December 11, 2012
So now we have a concrete answer regarding the SP issue, and it was as a lot of us thought, no synching required at a cost of some of the planned depth to the game!
Win/Win isnt it?"
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...erous/comments?cursor=1879344#comment-1879343
Then followed up by,
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...erous/comments?cursor=1883344#comment-1883343
See this, Win/Win. ( https://www.kickstarter.com/project...erous/comments?cursor=1883368#comment-1883367 )
"B1gdeano on December 11, 2012
So now we have a concrete answer regarding the SP issue, and it was as a lot of us thought, no synching required at a cost of some of the planned depth to the game!
Win/Win isnt it?"
So now that we know they were referring to offline as DRM-Free, we can ensure the game is no longer DRM-Free.
Seeing as a lot of the people complaining about no offline and now DRM are still here, does that mean you will be staying with us for the foreseeable future?
I think we have exhausted the debate , questions were asked answers were given, it's not really going anywhere, the game will go on regardless.
What say ye?
I think we have exhausted the debate , questions were asked answers were given, it's not really going anywhere, the game will go on regardless.
What say ye?
Wow 209 pages. i could only skim through. In doing so it saddens me to read some of the comments. I personally believe that FD have no choice in making the solo part of the game, online accessible. for a few main reasons firstly to keep the market relative to all accounts that way if you switch to multiplayer the market is similar to solo. Also to me the fact they are offering a solo mode and multiplayer mode is fantastic. so that way you can switch and still have your ships and wealth.
Then remember with steam these days most games need to be connected to the internet anyway. With all this in mind i think if FD decided to make the solo mode offline, i think you would find the gaming experience wont be the same, also you couldn't switch to multiplayer mode it just wouldn't make sense.
Ive been playing the X franchise for years now and felt that the games were missing something, that i think ED has delivered on and games such as SC will deliver when ready.
Sorry if this reply upsets some and it is sad some have bad internet connections. i know were your coming from Ive been there. But it is how games need to go to be a more full gaming experience. Ive been gaming for 25+ years now and seen the advancement of games and to me this is the natural progression for PC games. if they don't move forward and take advantage of server access then computer gaming may die and consoles will take over. which would be sad considering the poor quality they provide.
Thank you Dev's for producing such a great game.
Then remember with steam these days most games need to be connected to the internet anyway. With all this in mind i think if FD decided to make the solo mode offline, i think you would find the gaming experience wont be the same, also you couldn't switch to multiplayer mode it just wouldn't make sense.
Ive been playing the X franchise for years now and felt that the games were missing something, that i think ED has delivered on and games such as SC will deliver when ready.
Sorry if this reply upsets some and it is sad some have bad internet connections. i know were your coming from Ive been there. But it is how games need to go to be a more full gaming experience. Ive been gaming for 25+ years now and seen the advancement of games and to me this is the natural progression for PC games. if they don't move forward and take advantage of server access then computer gaming may die and consoles will take over. which would be sad considering the poor quality they provide.
Thank you Dev's for producing such a great game.
Lets keep the list a bit more normal,
Hotels, Schools, Basements, Buildings, Traveling, Cruise Ship, Long Flight, Airports, Seaports, Ferries, Car rides out of the city (and out of LTE coverage), many countries, when your crappy you only have two ISPs to choose from both go down because they both suck even though you have multi-wan and pay through the teeth for crappy asymmetrical internet service.
Edit: Oh, forgot one the future because nothing last forever and the promise of a drm free version then is not a sure thing compared to having one at the start.
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For those of you who are really interested in offline space game: Oolite is worth looking at.
Off course you're going to be angry, but you won't feel scammed. The feeling that I had yesterday, that I felt up in the southerns even after all the care I had taken researching my purchase, I surely acted out on the forums until I was satisfied, lol. Well, Mr Braben had it coming and I don't regret a thing.
But here we are a day later and things can be civilly discussed.
But the whole circus could've been avoided and even the press could've printed something like "Frontier Development cuts back on a promise, but comes up with wonderful alternative instead!"
And all it would've taken for Frontier was to just come out when they still had the room to do so.
We still have to provide dial-up for 3g blackspots and zero cable coverage
, Good old Australia leading the way in high speed broadband
Yeah, I was pointed to it by a PM from a fellow forumite. It does look good, but the expansions look daunting as I have no clue which ones are must haves, or just worth having and so on. I need to research it more to get some context on it all.
Evochron Mercenary is another good offline space game worth giving a look.
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