No Single Player offline Mode then?

[HudZ]

Stick to ED

Now, if a lot of people over on Star Citizen is saying you are silly to give up your Elite: Dangerous account, you know you should probably reconsider your position

SC is going to be way too intense for you buddy. Stick to ED, it's a good game and will require a lot less skill in PvP.

 

[deusx_ophc]

As for me? Individually. Not so much. But it only needs about fifty to a hundred people to chargeback at the level of funding I put in, give or take, to trip the EMV's "Suspect merchant" limit and FDEV starts having all kinds of entertaining issues with Mastercard and Visa. I've seen the result of being on those lists and trying to conduct your business in a reasonable manner, it's not a smooth or pleasant experience. It won't need a lot of people to start throwing grit in the gears towards one "smaller" merchant to cause the card processors to go "Ohai fraud controls". You need to be a bigger fish than FDEV to get out past that limit, they convert it to a percentage of your yearly revenue after a certain point, but that's for retailers with a solid and steady income already.

have fun getting your "chargeback" army together ^^

no bank will accept a chargeback after 6 months passed, most not past 30 days, chargeback for max EUR150/100GBP only, and if proven to wrongly/knowingly chargeback enjoy the hefty fees minus your card. the only people that could cause such ruckus are the very recent pre-order buyers, FDEV will know better and refund those and that is the first way a consumer must go. everyone else must be borderline criminal to chargeback the FDEV transaction on either kickstarter or alpha/beta access.

 

[Jason S]

I just read the DB intends to release various archives of the server when it goes down.

So there is hope, the ability to play the game for life is my number one requirement of this game. At least now there is hope.

 

[amigacooke]

... there's always one. There's aaaaaaallllways one. +rep for being witty

And -1 for being incorrect. From the terms and conditions.

'9. No Attorney-Client Relationship

Information posted or made available on or through the Site, including without limitation any responses to legal questions posted in Avvo Q&A, information provided in Avvo Legal Guides, and any other comments, opinions, recommendations, answers, analysis, references, referrals or legally related content or information (collectively "Legal Information") is not intended as legal advice or to create an attorney-client relationship between you and any attorney. Such Legal Information is intended for general informational purposes only and should be used only as a starting point for addressing your legal issues. It is not a substitute for an in-person or telephone consultation with an attorney licensed to practice in your jurisdiction about your specific legal issue, and you should not rely upon such Legal Information. You understand that questions and answers or other postings to the Site are not confidential and are not subject to attorney-client privilege.'

 

[kenny_brocklestein]

I just read the DB intends to release various archives of the server when it goes down.

So there is hope, the ability to play the game for life is my number one requirement of this game. At least now there is hope.

So he says. People say a lot of things when they're trying to talk someone down from a building ledge. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Demosthien]

In what way is Elite faulty?

Did you read the links? Probably not as you're asking that question... The download is termed as being "faulty" if it "...isn't as the seller described it...", not my words that's the law.

 

[vonFelty]

How did you get yours? What product were you refunded? My premium beta refund has been denied.

So they are denying refunds? Did you make your with the reason of promised offline mode?

 

[Spectre Alpha]

And -1 for being incorrect. From the terms and conditions.

'9. No Attorney-Client Relationship

Information posted or made available on or through the Site, including without limitation any responses to legal questions posted in Avvo Q&A, information provided in Avvo Legal Guides, and any other comments, opinions, recommendations, answers, analysis, references, referrals or legally related content or information (collectively "Legal Information") is not intended as legal advice or to create an attorney-client relationship between you and any attorney. Such Legal Information is intended for general informational purposes only and should be used only as a starting point for addressing your legal issues. It is not a substitute for an in-person or telephone consultation with an attorney licensed to practice in your jurisdiction about your specific legal issue, and you should not rely upon such Legal Information. You understand that questions and answers or other postings to the Site are not confidential and are not subject to attorney-client privilege.'

So, it's the same as seeing a lawyer in his office then.

 

[Erna Jedermann]

You must be joking !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your solicitor for a beta game !

My honest advice to you : get a life, with kids and a wife , mortgages and insurance and taxes and declining employment and pollution and and and and and, then you have things to worry about !!

If this attitude wasn't so depressing it would be hilarious ...

I think it was the Greeks that stated comedy is close to tragedy ! they were right.

Cheers Cmdr's

For what....he can do what he want...the same as you can close your eyes and sing the mantra Everything is awesome...FD has spoke too me.....

 

[light487]

Well I've decided now after all this that I am going to give FDEV a break. I've spent more on this game than any game ever. Under the consumer laws in my country I would have the right to a refund but I won't ask. I am terribly upset about the change, as I have previously made clear in this thread, and I am still unhappy with the current state of the game as well as the direction FDEV is going with it.

Having said that, Elite Dangerous is still a game I want to succeed so I need to be part of the solution in any way I can. I'll definitely only play single player online because that's my preference so I really hope some work is done by FDEV to ensure that experience is not just a cut down version of multiplayer like they say they are trying to achieve.

I sincerely hope that FDEV is able to learn from this bad choice of judgement in communication and get moving on making this an amazing game. Unfortunately right now it is not.

 

[ThatFuzzyTiger]

And that's great, you're doing your research. What we've learned from the DB Q&A session earlier today is that communication is important, lest backlash be harsh. And I think that was the part that surprised me most. I've been let down by others in my life, various reasons, won't go in to it, you don't care anyway ( ), but this was... well let's just say it hit the rage-ball out of the park. AFAIK, legally you are possibly entitled for a refund. Good. You can get your money back that you put in, and you got to play X hours for free.

So, you're actually better off?


Wait, why were we talking legalities again?

(Note: Appreciate you were trying to inform yourself, but given the tone of others I'd expect a class-action lawsuit before BBC Breakfast comes on in the morning).

Lastly, that wonderful Fuzzy Tiger... you can also go enjoy the game, right now.

Go have fun, and fly safe

(though if I see you, and you have a wanted status, I will assuredly attempt to interdict you and fly straight in to a planet )

I just love the other people who are going keyboard warrior over my posts rather than actually reading them in full, go take a look

Oh dear. You can lead a forum poster to clue, but you can't make them think. As for me, I've got some serious mulling to do as to whether I'm going to contact FDEV and ask for a refund, if I'm going to stick around, or whatever. Unlike a lot of people, I don't make decisions quickly, I tend to go and do my research, examine the problem from all angles, even the ones where I get to watch people throw the contents of the kitchen cupboards at each other (this forum thread), then I'll get on with what I intend to do.

As for the rage ball, well, judging by the speed this threadnaught is travelling at, I've pegged it at 125.7c, and accelerating steadily. Attempting to interdict it might be an exercise in futility by now.

 

[littleminxundr]

I think that:

1) If you're going the legal route because you're truly feel that you've been wronged and you can't reach rapport, then go for it. (Though any good lawyer, I suspect, will tell you that the cost of the software is in no way relative to the bill that will be presented to you. And you better be damn sure to be out of his office within the first free 15 minutes, because the advice-bill will probably be higher than what you paid for the Beta.)
2) If you do it to hurt Frontier Development, stop a moment to think and realise that over the last four days they have lost many future sales, next to preorders being cancelled they have to honor. This is pure conjecture; but the last four days might have cost them upwards of 50k GBP already.

Running a company is very expensive, this I know first hand.

 

[jabokai]

Nice little pack in here tag-teaming and taking the mickey out of folks rightly peed off... classy. Keep trying, you'll probably get the thread closed - such tactics have worked before.

I'm sorry. Yes, it has rather degenerated. But after DB's piece earlier where he explained why offline was cancelled and in light of the clear terms and conditions, the fact that some still can't accept that offline is gone and that refunds are not going to happen has reached the point of ludicracy... ludiocraty... ludiciousness... whatever. Like I said before, twice. It is now up to them to decide if they are going to back the game as it is now... or not. Ok, I'm done. Going to do something more interesting than flogging a dead horse.

It was always a case of dead horse flogging, I doubt anyone thought anything would really change. But look at the way the news has been reported over numerous media outlets - the reason Kickstarter backers have no comeback is because everyone simply lets it be that way. At least this puts the issue of accountability right there in the news even if nothing, this time, tangible comes from it. Perhaps others will look and think again... maybe, just maybe, even FD will have learned a lesson (although from the evidence I've seen I actually doubt that one - they have elephant skin! )

 

[Jason S]

So he says. People say a lot of things when they're trying to talk someone down from a building ledge. I'll believe it when I see it.

You have a point, I am just trying to be a bit more positive now and try to forget the 200 pounds I spent, and clinging at the glimmer of hope that has been sent our way that I may not have been scammed after all. I suppose we will see in the future if this latest "promise" is kept.

 

[Zenicetus]

So they are denying refunds? Did you make your with the reason of promised offline mode?

The current situation seems to be that they are blanket denying refunds to anyone who downloaded the Alpha or Beta versions and played/tested the game for any length of time. They are (apparently) giving refunds to any backers who never downloaded anything.

Basically, using the Terms & Conditions as a sledgehammer. Whether that ends up being a good way to handle this, remains to be seen...

 

[Vlodec]

I just read the DB intends to release various archives of the server when it goes down.

So there is hope, the ability to play the game for life is my number one requirement of this game. At least now there is hope.

Hope? Where? Think about what DB actually said and what that amounts to, substantively.

Nothing.

 

[deusx_ophc]

Thanks but I didn't really ask because I'm thinking of using the law, I'm not. I just wanted to ascertain how much of all this legal talk was just hot air.

i wasn't implying you wanted to use the law. and obviously this is not a legal debate class and not at all a legal advise forum ^^

but lets see if we can coax a few legal experts out of the woodwork

 

[Demosthien]

That's the tricky thing. The download is as described. It just won't include a feature that was promised. But you bought the download as is, not as it was one day going to be in the future.

The download is not as described. The download was described as having an offline mode, it does not and will not (if the recent news is correct of course).

What I think you're talking about (please correct me if I'm wrong) is whether the alpha/beta versions count as being the equivalent of the final product.

I would suggest, by virtue of the final product being bundled with any alpha/beta purchase, that people who paid for them have a case for a faulty download claim.

 

[Jason S]

Hope? Where? Think about what DB actually said and what that amounts to, substantively.

Nothing.

It is hope, if he relases the server data someone will figure out how to get the client working with it, so we could play it 20 years from now.

 

[Demosthien]

Who are these luddites crying because due to the fact that Frontier can't and wont spend resources on a offline game that will by Frontiers own admission be very limited in scope.

*raises hand*

I once threw a shoe into a machine!!