No Single Player offline Mode then?
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The BETA is NOT THE GAME. Paying for access to the beta IS NOT THE END PRODUCT THAT IS GOING UP FOR SALE. *sigh* that clearer for you? The PRODUCT is the RELEASE VERSION, which will ONLY BE AVAILABLE FROM Dec 12th. This is what I'm expecting to get out of the backer transaction.
The release version is what will be judged by what is and ISN'T included; and if offline mode IS NOT INCLUDED then anyone who paid FDEV monies before newsletter #49 was announced, will have a right to a refund based on the fact that what was offered at the time of payment is NO LONGER AVAILABLE.
Consider this: If I bought tickets to see an open air concert, and part of that price was to get access to the grounds that is normally paid for - and I went into the venue only find the open air concert had been cancelled last minute because it was pouring with rain, according to your (incorrect) assessment of that particular clause you posted - I would not be entitled to a refund of the concert ticket because I had used part of it to get into the venue in the first place.
FDev offering full refunds instead of partial refunds is their choice - but my £100 was for alpha / beta access PLUS THE ENTIRE GAME AND FREE EXPANSIONS FOR LIFE (plus a few ingame extras with a £ value of exactly ZERO). Now tell me, which do YOU think has more value - access to alpha and beta (translation FREE PLAYTESTERS for FDev) the few ingame digital extra's, OR THE ENTIRE GAME PLUS FREE EXPANSIONS FOR THE DURATION E D SERVERS ARE OPERATIONAL = EVERYTHING ELSE.....
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It's a way forward but certainly not the answer for those who pledged money for the offline game because they have to wait STILL MORE TIME for the game to be released to them as promised.
Simply put the damage is done, Frontier Development have displayed for all to see a callous disregard for a percentage of their backers, there is no way to spin it where FD come out looking anything but corporate sharks.
It is. Offline is not just the lack of a connection. Offline is a totally different way of playing games. One that I prefer.
I actually think that NL50 was frank and honest. I still have my own questions, but yeah, I don't feel like dealing with the moderation team anymore. ^^
To say the least I am greatly angered by this. I have little to no interest in playing multiplayer online. Where I live, I have a fine internet connection. However, as soon as I go over a fairly low data limit, I am paying much higher rates on my internet. Thus, an online only game is out of the picture for me. Thank god I didn't back them before this came out.
NL50 doesn't cancel out NL49 - that attitude is unnaceptable and obviously present within higher ranks of the company otherwise the NL wouldn't have been released in that form.
Yeah, i am one of the people who pledged for offline game. And FD now tell me Elite: Dangerous WILL NOT have any offline elements... And my $90 has totally wasted.... How can I refund back my money.....
Forget all the legal mumbo jumbo the real issue here is something called 'The Customer is Always Right'
Either FD can honor the refund requests for customers who are (justifiably) unhappy and they can maybe win some PR points and maybe even win the offline community back in the future if things change...OR...they can refuse the requests and burn their reputation at the expense of the offline community.
Considering the entire space sim genre isn't really that big to begin with, you would hope they would be the first kind of company but who knows, they are communicating like the 2nd kind...
I guess making an offline space empire type game IS kind of hard...guess there is maybe a reason it took EGOSOFT 7+ years to get X-Rebirth to where it is now...
It doesn't make me feel great that ED bailed on offline so quickly. The whole point of us giving him the money in a kickstarter style way was to prevent this kind of rush it out publisher mentality. Way to burn that bridge right down to the very last splinter.
Either FD can honor the refund requests for customers who are (justifiably) unhappy and they can maybe win some PR points and maybe even win the offline community back in the future if things change...OR...they can refuse the requests and burn their reputation at the expense of the offline community.
Considering the entire space sim genre isn't really that big to begin with, you would hope they would be the first kind of company but who knows, they are communicating like the 2nd kind...
I guess making an offline space empire type game IS kind of hard...guess there is maybe a reason it took EGOSOFT 7+ years to get X-Rebirth to where it is now...
It doesn't make me feel great that ED bailed on offline so quickly. The whole point of us giving him the money in a kickstarter style way was to prevent this kind of rush it out publisher mentality. Way to burn that bridge right down to the very last splinter.
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Don't be fooled by the wording of the email that's being sent by FD in reply to refund requests. The game hasn't been played by anyone because it hasn't been released yet. We have only had Alpha & Beta testing phases.
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Funny. I have nearly 600 games in my Steam account, many of them launched this year. Exactly five require a constant Internet connection; four are F2P MMOs, and the fifth one is a small B2P Diablo-like game I got on sale for, like, $2.
Now, if you were talking about games that offer optional features when the player is online, I would agree. But those games don't require the player to be online at all to play, the player just loses a small part of their functionality.
The key difference being that players paid for this game years ago, under the clear promise that it would have an offline mode, and the offline mode was cut. When other games make such changes, they typically don't have dozens of thousands of players that have already paid for the game based on the features they promised. And, if they do have pre-orders already, they typically offer full refunds to everyone that does not want the game anymore.
BTW, in this Frontier is actually being much worse than companies like EA. EA now has a no-questions-asked return policy on digital downloads even after the player has played the game.
Until Frontier solves this in a satisfactory way — which includes, at least, either making a clear and irrevocable commitment to provide the offline mode or else offering full refunds to everyone that does not want an online-only game — I will call them on what they did. And make sure anyone I know that might be considering the game is aware of the issue, including sending them here if they can take the wall of text.
Is it that difficult to grasp the concept that desire to play offline is not the same as the need to play offline?
I backed the game only after offline was promised; would never have backed otherwise. While I have no connectivity issues, I have no desire to play a game like ED if it does not also offer an offline mode. And I don't back any online-only game on principle.
Sincerely, no. I want to get my money back from FD, because it was FD that didn't make the game they promised back then, and in my case the difference is important enough to make the game simply not worth playing. Besides, even if I was willing to get my money back from someone else and not FD, I'm not going to risk making a sale that is against the terms of use of the game in order to get a refund. I don't want to put whoever I sell it to at risk of losing the account down the line due to violating the terms of service.
I will be here until either FD fixes this mess or I feel ready to move on, likely in a year or two. And while I'm here I will also be making sure people that are considering any game from FD are made aware of this mess, both in other Internet forums and in the real world.
Making any game is probably "hard" depending on how you look at it. Thing is, this game is made by one guy, and he seems to be managing quite well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MumoTz8CKtE
A quick reminder to people suggesting people sell accounts over ebay
Please refer to the terms and conditions and you will find that this is expressly forbidden, your license is not transferrable. If you do this you will put any redress you have at risk and you will risk the buyer of the account being banned in the future.
Do not make the mistake people on World of Warcraft and other MMO's have done, know that FDEV -will- enforce the rules and -will- ban people if they get the slightest idea that this kind of thing is going on.
You may continue shouting angrily at each other now.
Please refer to the terms and conditions and you will find that this is expressly forbidden, your license is not transferrable. If you do this you will put any redress you have at risk and you will risk the buyer of the account being banned in the future.
Do not make the mistake people on World of Warcraft and other MMO's have done, know that FDEV -will- enforce the rules and -will- ban people if they get the slightest idea that this kind of thing is going on.
You may continue shouting angrily at each other now.
http://frontier.co.uk/features/features/?artid=328&blk=214
cash rules everything around me green is the money dolla dolla bill yall
this was a bait and switch all about that cash this guy is gonna get sued out of his mind.
FD is NOT the company we have been looking for people
there are going to be Coca-Cola ads in the space stations in patch 4.2
cash rules everything around me green is the money dolla dolla bill yall
this was a bait and switch all about that cash this guy is gonna get sued out of his mind.
FD is NOT the company we have been looking for people
there are going to be Coca-Cola ads in the space stations in patch 4.2
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Off course it doesn't, I haven't even implied such. But considering the fact that they did, and the information that is shared, reading it and thinking upon on for while never hurts. Also, try putting aside your anger for a moment. Did you really live that long to be this angry? (Without wanting to come across condescending.) I was angry too, but quite quickly after that I analyzed my position and gave shape to my anger; it resulted in a more tempered vision. There are many things I feel Frontier did wrong in this situation and all I can really do is trying to see their side without my side being the overriding factor.
However, I failed and today I put in for a refund.
If I'm denied, I'm left with a game I didn't buy (I bought Beta-access and will get the game for free, which is 100% why I won't be refunded. I understand this, but I still have to try for my own sake.) and I will play it. Elite is certainly not a bad game and the few hours that I played to get an idea of what the Offline would be I enjoyed. So, in a sense I'm not even ripped off.
Kool-aid? No, it's keeping it real.
In the end, what really is the fact for my situation is that I won't be able to play the game as often as I would like; I bought it mainly for the fact that I'm unable to be connected for far more time than I'll be able to in comparison. That's still one for one better than the games I bought and never touched again after ten minutes from the start screen. That list is gargantuan, really.
If you claim honest you shout be honest...
You pay for the chance of TESTING Alpha/Beta....if you are not happy what you test...than you only can refund the price of the Game.....
Kickstarter is on an other side... if they pledge for an DRM free DISC VERSION and they CAN'T get it...FD had a problem, which not easy to solve
preorders is clear that they MUST get refund if they expected offline....even after dowload and see ups no offline and yes it is possible to download without OWN internet connection.
That's the problem with online communication minx, I'm far from angry - I have lived 6 decades and this sort of charade is FAR from new to me. I DO word my criticisms strongly but that doesn't mean I'm angry - just focussed and committed to not being distracted by fluff and misdirection.
Anger is the second saddest emotion in the universe and I partake of it slowly and reluctantly when I do partake but this is NOT one of those times.
I agree with that. Cursory reading in threads like this does lead to many misunderstandings.
I completely disagree with this. You bought a package which included the full game. As the game is not as described you still have rights. Look again at the picture you posted where you labeled the game as a goodie pack. Where does it say buy the beta an get the full game free as an added bonus? It doesn't. It says upon release you also get the full game. Surely that's a package deal. For them to say 'no the game is a free extra' is far from good enough.
That is the same feeling/thought which I have right now..except that I really wait to play and think if I want an MMO or not...
Bad that I can't rep in mobile version
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