No Single Player offline Mode then?

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Agreed. To this I would also add:

- FD misrepresented this product and its capabilities on many occasions now.
- pulling single player BEFORE you even have a reasonably reliable, high quality multiplayer experience is just...hard to comprehend.
- online/solo is nothing like single player. if you can't grasp that, stay out of the argument seriously. the online nature means you have to always patch the game, you always have to accept the universe changes based on other people's actions, as mentioned by many others here you are competing with hardcore players for system discovery, mining resource discovery. markets remain random and non-static. Given the poor quality of the online marketplace at the moment, and the total lack of background simulation dynamics showing up means that online modes have almost no benefits compared to offline single player.
- the arguments put forward about lack of offline single player, are total , plain and simple, DB knows it, everyone who works in coding knows it, anyone who works in server infrastructure knows it, its hard to believe loyal fans and backers are just being fed that and expected to believe it.

for a company and individual (DB) who complained so much about evil publishers in the past, this sure is one heck of a dirty, hypocritical move to pull.

ill also mention the following
- people waffling about servers being online available forever just aren't getting it. offline means no lag, no server latency or logins, no network-code bugs related to FPS, mission bugs, launching, it goes on and on...no problems related to the really terrible P2P networking in this game in Online/Open either. However removing it forces people to deal with the server being located away from them (AWS dont have locations everywhere, FD are very likely not going to be affording to have it everywhere even when/if AWS do). sure online/solo might reduce P2P related networking issues, but it doesnt solve the server being required and the latency / many other issues related to this fact like launching bugs, mission bugs, latency-induced transition staggering, certain types of fps issues (approaching stations etc, large bodies), galaxy map delays and extensive bugs. So you have the server-latency problems from using AWS and not having many geo locations in Online/Solo (and there are many, many networking bugs and latency problems), and you also get the P2P design flaws and network code problems whenever you play Online/Open. With NO option for Offline to appease these issues and satisfy MANY other valid scenarios where offline is preferred by people. I mean do you not get it?? making the P2P networking for MP and the Client-server model for logins and market data , means they have implemented the negatives of both models with almost no positives! its just plain ridiculous, utterly ridiculous.)
- no internet, means no game, and thats totally against the spirit of elite, it just is. DB took such pride in making such a huge universe on a floppy disk and instead now its 'oh it cant be done offline'. cmon what a complete joke.
- its just so infuriating and its hard to believe paying customers and backers on KS have been treated in this way


I could not care less if your internet is fast, always on, and you dont mind official servers going away in some time span. That isn't even the point despite that all being very concerning. the point here is that everyone has different reasons for buying and when a product is advertised with certain core features and is then delivered without them, its terrible and companies like that shouldn't be in business. the fact this company (FD) took in voluntary donations/support funding to make a game in an industry they already work in (a bit lol to start with), that they then significantly changed a core function/feature of this game right before release with almost no official clear wording on the topic, is just despicable.

I can't even believe people would try to defend a company behaving in that way.

I will also add in it was a huge cost-saving cheap decision to make the networking P2P, the product is virtually crippled because of it, there are numerous other negatives such as logging in and participating in online, but now no one even has the option to play offline and accept those limitations. Unbelievable. The MP / online mode is so bad right now anyway, huge staggers transitioning instances, tiny instances, very low number of players per instance, disconnection /sync issues all over the place, massive frame rate issues the moment anyone's in the game, terrible system using XML file to configure uPNP and port details with almost no official explanation at all, no in built connection troubleshooting, terring stuttering everywhere other players are involved particularly near system bodies, the list just goes on and on and on and yet this dev company thinks now ripping offline mode out is a prudent move!!! hahaha WOW. i think most people would accept a later-issued offline mode as a reasonable ask, to stabilise product as-is, add features, then work out how to implement an offline mode, but to just pull it, in that incredibly underhanded method (the game newsletter, barely worded in the way it was intended, written almost after being checked over and over by lawyers)....its just disgusting.
disgusting.

even though i might play the game from time to time, i will never ever support another game FD make nor will i purchase anything they are involved in in future, and i will never associate any companies i own or operate with this company again, and i will spend the rest of my days letting everyone i speak to know just how they treated their KS backers and customers on pivotal, key points of product prior to release after funding after many sales. Incredible, just absolutely incredible.

Sorry this diatribe is just as bad or worse then what you claim FD has done.
But "i might play the game from time to time" - hypocrite much?
 
i wonder how many would be complaining of a dry featureless offline play mode that is nothing like the online experience if it had been done.

Probably not many. It would be as dry and featureless as Elite II, and Frontier were careful to ensure those of us looking for offline information always saw 'limited experience' somewhere nearby. :)
 
Sorry this diatribe is just as bad or worse then what you claim FD has done.
But "i might play the game from time to time" - hypocrite much?

Not really, I've said too "Frontier has my €60, fine. They're welcome to it. But they could've gotten so much more out of me."
But I have the game now, and despite of how I feel about Frontier, I'm not dropping the game. That would be cutting off my nose to spite my face and next to that, it's not as if I land a huge blow to Frontier if I stop playing...
 
Slightly confused where all this "misled" stuff is coming from, as far as im aware a Kickstarter pitch is exactly that, a pitch. It's not a promise its a "we will try" statement. Same things for all the Alpha versions and Beta versions.... the very definition of these things is all about "likely to change" or "will change" etc, its the development faze after all. At no point has anyone been misled imo, many people seem to of misunderstood what a Pitch,Alpha and Beta are tho
 
Seriously, have you read my posts at all? No, don't answer that. I might punch myself a black eye with the next facepalm that I do.

Might want to get some ice ready.
I have and you pick and choose bits to reply to while ignoring other pertinent info. Did you actually read every word of troe666's post?
Anyone not working at FD who is claiming they know what is going on inside FD , claims they know what DB is thinking, is full of it.

Come on, its a video game. Sure be disappointed, a bit mad. But some of these reactions (not yours) are way over the top.
Threatening people, lawsuits , DDOS attacks for a $50 video game. (yes I know some have pledged a lot more).

I pledge that this will be my last response to any of your posts. Don't want to be responsible for any bodily harm you may do to your self.

Peace out!
 
Slightly confused where all this "misled" stuff is coming from, as far as im aware a Kickstarter pitch is exactly that, a pitch. It's not a promise its a "we will try" statement. Same things for all the Alpha versions and Beta versions.... the very definition of these things is all about "likely to change" or "will change" etc, its the development faze after all. At no point has anyone been misled imo, many people seem to of misunderstood what a Pitch,Alpha and Beta are tho

David Brabben has been quoted on reddit AMA's as stating, unequivocally that you will be able to play Elite Dangerous on a laptop without requiring any form of internet connectivity whatever. No ifs, no buts. And that was from the man himself. Whilst the game was in development. There was no hedging or "maybe" at that point. He was very clear, as has a lot of other people been at earlier stages. It's only now there's been a sudden and very rapid reversal in the language used, which has resulted in the fast rolling threadnaught you are witness to today. Feel free to search the thread for the various links, happy reading and all that.
 
Slightly confused where all this "misled" stuff is coming from, as far as im aware a Kickstarter pitch is exactly that, a pitch. It's not a promise its a "we will try" statement. Same things for all the Alpha versions and Beta versions.... the very definition of these things is all about "likely to change" or "will change" etc, its the development faze after all. At no point has anyone been misled imo, many people seem to of misunderstood what a Pitch,Alpha and Beta are tho

Just because it's such a handy screenie to have:
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And then I'm not even talking about the fact that it was advertized as being in the game until the very last moment. There's a thread in General also where people where being encouraged to buy if they were asking after the Off-line feature of the game, right up until Frontier dropped the bomb.

Frankly, what you're saying in regard to the off-line is just plain wrong, sorry.
 
David Brabben has been quoted on reddit AMA's as stating, unequivocally that you will be able to play Elite Dangerous on a laptop without requiring any form of internet connectivity whatever. No ifs, no buts. And that was from the man himself. Whilst the game was in development. There was no hedging or "maybe" at that point. He was very clear, as has a lot of other people been at earlier stages. It's only now there's been a sudden and very rapid reversal in the language used, which has resulted in the fast rolling threadnaught you are witness to today. Feel free to search the thread for the various links, happy reading and all that.

Game is still in development. Things change not always for the good. Go find all of Michael Brooks posts that explains why they are doing what they are doing.
 
Seems to me Frontier are handling the situation as honestly and honorably as possible. Some people kickstarted it or bought into the various stages based on the implication that there would be a wholly offline mode eventually. It turned out Frontier couldn't quite pull that off, and so to people for whom that is a deal-breaker, they are offering refunds. Although in an ideal world they would have managed to develop an offline mode that met their standards, that turned out not to be the case.

I can't really see how this can be spun as nefarious or underhanded in any way. Disappointing, sure, but I feel in no way swindled. Most publishers would have ground this through the marketing department and spun it as though they were doing us a favor.
 
No need to search for it, if you believed that then your still the one in the wrong imo. Until a game is in full finished release and widely available in stores and shops everything said is still just a statement of intent and not anything to do with misleading. This entire thing is purely down to people not understanding how things work, as i said above until its a full finished game, regardless of developer comments / interviews, everything is liable to change, people need to know that buying a game or backing one BEFORE its official complete release is a gamble.
 
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Speaking of the fact we're dealing with a class 21- no... class 212 (updated!) threadnaught at this point, a beast of legend the likes of which will have to be etched among the luminaries of myth when eventually the mods get around to shutting this thing down, or the forums keel over from it's overbearing weight. Time for comedy image number two.

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Yeah, this thread is going places, great places, places your eyes would not believe. Suffice to say, I think we'll need warp core stabalisers if this thing keeps up at pace much longer.

Oh, and ecgallagher, consider this my only response to you for now, feel free to say what you like, but until you're able to apply a little bit of critical thinking to what you type and not talk gibberish, we've got nothing to discuss :)
 
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I can't really see how this can be spun as nefarious or underhanded in any way. Disappointing, sure, but I feel in no way swindled. Most publishers would have ground this through the marketing department and spun it as though they were doing us a favor.

I believe that comes entirely from the way the news was communicated, via quiet mention in a newsletter preceded by the news we're getting lots of free stuff we don't want. (Although I have seen similar work elsewhere, if they'd have given me a virtual towel or a fish I might have given them even more money). ;) That's actually exactly what some people feel they did.
 
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Might want to get some ice ready.
I have and you pick and choose bits to reply to while ignoring other pertinent info. Did you actually read every word of troe666's post?
Anyone not working at FD who is claiming they know what is going on inside FD , claims they know what DB is thinking, is full of it.

Come on, its a video game. Sure be disappointed, a bit mad. But some of these reactions (not yours) are way over the top.
Threatening people, lawsuits , DDOS attacks for a $50 video game. (yes I know some have pledged a lot more).

I pledge that this will be my last response to any of your posts. Don't want to be responsible for any bodily harm you may do to your self.

Peace out!

Yes, I did read every word. But I see a very disappointed customer who has been looking forward a long time to something that, in sight of the finish-line, goes up in so much smoke. I was irate yesterday too, but no one got this seriously dismissive on my case. It might not affect you, but it will affect others. And a little understanding goes a long way.

And to set the record straight, I wasn't responding to Troe's post, but to yours, telling you that still playing the game is not as hypocritical as you think. I'm not particularly fond of cows, but I love their milk.
 
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