No Single Player offline Mode then?
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I have no doubt telling us about no offline mode was taken very seriously and there has been a lot of strategy involved in the process on how best to do it...No doubt they all sat down in a War room to figure out a plan
1. Firstly I believe they have really tried and struggled with offline mode..
2. It may not be possible so they had to make sure the game was released without that promise to avoid legal action.
3. slipping it in with the Newsletter might get missed or soften the blow ... ( lol that was wishful thinking at best )
4. Also telling us now gives a good month for it all to blow over before the official release so they have time to sort out refunds and start with a clean slate.
5. staying low key now is best so they don't make any false promises at this point.
Its actually quite brilliant but for the fact its upset so many users.....
After release they could then re-consider offline mode without legal obligation
I kind of believe FD have struggled and panicked over offline mode and needed to take it off the " We have to do this " List. But there is the potential to get players back at a later date if they find a solution.
However the side effect is ...Everyones peeved because of FD, low key and lack of response which I think is...DONT SAY ANYTHING that may give hope or whilst we are under any obligation until after the game is released.
I still love what I have and hope at a later date they may find a way to give us offline capability..
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I agree, talking of getting lawyers and suchlike is a bit of bluff and blunder in the hope it "scares" the company into submission, which will never work! It's rather silly... but that doesn't mean that we should just accept situations where Kickstarted projects renege on their commitments either. The thread and others like it that keep the issue in FD's face is not wrong, I do not think. Otherwise we're basically saying "fine, promise us XYZ to get out money, take away X and we'll be quiet because we know we cannot do anything"... they need to be held accountable in some way - and at the very least that is in the expression of disappointment and disillusionment if they are not seen to do enough to address the situation. Which, IMHO, FD have nowhere near done.
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There is a dividing line here though ...
There are the people that literally cant play the game due to lack of offline, and then there are those who are annoyed by FD's decision.
I'm not happy the way FD have handled the situation, but given what some have wrote here you would think FD had just robbed them, burnt their house down and killed their mum just for good measure. There are a percentage of people of that are asking for a refund simply for the 'outrage' and its pretty pathetic in all honesty.
Asking for a refund or taking legal action because you are unhappy with the decision or the way FD have handled it is pretty low ... Be annoyed, get over it, and enjoy the game when it comes out. There have been plenty of companies that have 'annoyed' me over the years for one reason or another. I don't go round suing them!
I have supported some Kickstarters and will very likely continue to do so. I know and accept the risk involved.Are you suggesting that we should base our decisions wholly on distrust, assumption of lies, and worst case scenarios? If so I don't see anything getting kickstarted!
Now does that mean one can not be disappointed when a KS fails to deliver the promised product?
Robert's Ship Shop definitely isn't up my alley but I was hoping for ED to be a worthy successor to Elite 2. Having yet another promising game instead join the endless stream of MMOs that come out every year is a bit disheartening.
Now it's only a matter of time until a newsletter presents us the awesome news that ED is now free to play but you may want to acquire even more awesome ship extras in their online shop. Pretty much happens with all MMOs these days.
I don't buy games before release anymore. I used to but my experience with the x-rebirth debacle poisoned that well. To be honest, Egosoft have patched and repatched over the last year and the game is reasonably playable now.
However, I was again tempted to pre-purchase ED and play the betas as it is a game I played extensively back in the 80's and I envisaged a fully updated version of that game with stunning graphics and a few extra tweaks made possible by the CPUs and cheap memory available today.
I checked myself and put away my credit card and am I glad I did.
I wish nothing but success for ED and I hope that all who play are delighted with the game but it is not for me. I want the updated Elite I was hoping for, off line and personal so back to the latest incarnation of x-rebirth which is the nearest to my vision I have found so far.
Good luck all.
However, I was again tempted to pre-purchase ED and play the betas as it is a game I played extensively back in the 80's and I envisaged a fully updated version of that game with stunning graphics and a few extra tweaks made possible by the CPUs and cheap memory available today.
I checked myself and put away my credit card and am I glad I did.
I wish nothing but success for ED and I hope that all who play are delighted with the game but it is not for me. I want the updated Elite I was hoping for, off line and personal so back to the latest incarnation of x-rebirth which is the nearest to my vision I have found so far.
Good luck all.
In a way I am very sad. I have waited for a modern day elite for years, and now the reality is, that there will never be one. Just another MMO impersonator.
this thread is a confused, frustrated and at times an ugly monster
How is anyone expected to read every post here.
It would now seem to be impossible to stop the circling of discussions in this thread.
A confused, frustrated and at times ugly monster has been created here and any attempt to be specific by starting another thread is impossible also.
Painful to say the least
Someone from Frontier has to come out from the bunker, wave a white flag and make a statement (in non marketing garble) and try to put this fire out.
How is anyone expected to read every post here.
It would now seem to be impossible to stop the circling of discussions in this thread.
A confused, frustrated and at times ugly monster has been created here and any attempt to be specific by starting another thread is impossible also.
Painful to say the least
Someone from Frontier has to come out from the bunker, wave a white flag and make a statement (in non marketing garble) and try to put this fire out.
Thanks for the update
I noticed my refund request's ticket status has changed to "Under Investigation" in the last hour.
Yeah good luck with that. Its head in the sand for Frontier with their poor unpaid mods having to run around piling every other attempt to discuss this onto this one giant heap. Which ironically just serves to make this threadnought look all the more impressive.
The more this drags on the more I lose any respect for Frontier and crew. I would expect this behavior from the likes of EA or their ilk, but... bah, whatever.
Take it publicly to twitter if you feel that strongly. Hash tag it so searchable.
I suggest:
#EliteDangerousOffline
ANYTHING that bring this to a conclusion is welcomed in my book as this thread is ridiculous & at times juvenile.
I suggest:
#EliteDangerousOffline
- Dont make demands.
- Be courteous.
- Keep it brief and to the point.
- Everyone needs to use the same hash tag to add weight.
ANYTHING that bring this to a conclusion is welcomed in my book as this thread is ridiculous & at times juvenile.
This.
I have a perfectly serviceable internet connection, but very limited 'play time'. I don't want to be potentially playing catch up all the time because the world changes when I'm not there.
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I trust that this serves as a satisfactory answer.
Nice, closing threads as a damage control.
As for the closed "compromise thread". People asked what was the compromise in it? Well, first it is really hard to make any compromises when the other side is silent and pretending nothing is happening, refusing to talk about the matter. The only thing they did was saying "it was very hard decision for them". And after all the talk only about multiplayer aspect of the game last 2 years and pretending we will forget the offline since multiplayer is so cool, I seriously doubt it was a hard decision on them.
Second, the compromise woul'd be that they can give us the offline mode in the current state.
Third, I do not believe galaxy is impossible to run on home PC, since it run very well 20 years ago on the fragment of processing power that is available now.
Now I can only ask what is going to be next? Planetary landings? Damage model? For the sake of cool multiplayer experience!
Many players flocked to the FD and pledged 2 years ago explicitely stating they are glad Elite is going to be revived. Many (including me) vere pointing out we do not want another MMO monstrocity such EVE online. We wanted the Elite. Offline. Not just because of griefers. Not all of us can invest hours to play games daily. some of us need to answer phones or do some other work and pause playing. We can not do that in MMO mode.
And what about bullying customers with allways online requirement? Let's face it, this is not needed because of the game. This is just an overly agressive and customer unfriendly way to try to protect game from copying. And the real tragedy is that this will only hurt FDs reputation and annoy it's customers who payed the game. Sooner or later hackers will find the way to make ED running offline. And then, people who did not backed or payed the game will enjoy the offline mode (Sim city enyone?), while FD backers will be constantly bullied by allways online policy.
Is it that hard just to give us starting, static (except planets moving) galaxy? with NPCs and random missions. We had that 20 years ago so I do not believe it is not possible now! that is just not truth!
As for the closed "compromise thread". People asked what was the compromise in it? Well, first it is really hard to make any compromises when the other side is silent and pretending nothing is happening, refusing to talk about the matter. The only thing they did was saying "it was very hard decision for them". And after all the talk only about multiplayer aspect of the game last 2 years and pretending we will forget the offline since multiplayer is so cool, I seriously doubt it was a hard decision on them.
Second, the compromise woul'd be that they can give us the offline mode in the current state.
Third, I do not believe galaxy is impossible to run on home PC, since it run very well 20 years ago on the fragment of processing power that is available now.
Now I can only ask what is going to be next? Planetary landings? Damage model? For the sake of cool multiplayer experience!
Many players flocked to the FD and pledged 2 years ago explicitely stating they are glad Elite is going to be revived. Many (including me) vere pointing out we do not want another MMO monstrocity such EVE online. We wanted the Elite. Offline. Not just because of griefers. Not all of us can invest hours to play games daily. some of us need to answer phones or do some other work and pause playing. We can not do that in MMO mode.
And what about bullying customers with allways online requirement? Let's face it, this is not needed because of the game. This is just an overly agressive and customer unfriendly way to try to protect game from copying. And the real tragedy is that this will only hurt FDs reputation and annoy it's customers who payed the game. Sooner or later hackers will find the way to make ED running offline. And then, people who did not backed or payed the game will enjoy the offline mode (Sim city enyone?), while FD backers will be constantly bullied by allways online policy.
Is it that hard just to give us starting, static (except planets moving) galaxy? with NPCs and random missions. We had that 20 years ago so I do not believe it is not possible now! that is just not truth!
It plays very, very much like Elite was to the 11 year old me. With the freedom and danger of space. With solo mode, you never have to interact with another non-digital person. It's not WoW in space, rest assured.
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So how would you have dealt with realising that Off-Line can't be delivered without compromising the core of the game? from the point when you have to accept that that is not happening, about a month from launch, what would you have done?
See, this is precisely one of the things that has been aggravating me (us) in the past few days: that our reasons are seen by some as "pathetic" and our reaction as "low", as if we were second class customers, as if our preferences and our expectations were unimportant. They aren't. For you the removal of offline mode and the enforcement of a "dynamic" synced game may be a small thing, but for some of us it is, quite literally, game changing. The fact that you do not share or understand our point of view does not make our reasons any less valid.
Like in real life? I honestly do not see the problem. The fluctuations will be to your benefit just as often as they will be detrimental. The galaxy is vast. It will not get used up, mined out or explored out. There will always be something to do.
What I don't understand in all this, is why there was no official response? Letting Brookes spreading nonsensical arguments in forum is NO official statement for dropping such an important part of the game so close to release!
The only thing Braben did so far was one tweet with link to a shamelessly apologetic article defending Frontiers decision, written by a guy who is very well connected to Frontier and his income, is game launch dependent.
Is this really how you treat an upfront paying customers in UK? There’s really no excuse for what they just did, and they should be held accountable for it!
The only thing Braben did so far was one tweet with link to a shamelessly apologetic article defending Frontiers decision, written by a guy who is very well connected to Frontier and his income, is game launch dependent.
Is this really how you treat an upfront paying customers in UK? There’s really no excuse for what they just did, and they should be held accountable for it!
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