To put this in a different light...you freely gave your money to a development company for vaporware. You have no rights to anything EXCEPT what they physically give you the day you give them your money. Otherwise anything they pitch is negotiable, at their discretion. You have no say in the process nor do you have any say in the final product. You have rights when you buy stock (a better way to support a company, IMHO), not when you Kickstart. In the eternal words of any consumer protection agency, 'Caveat Emptor'.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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To put this in a different light...you freely gave your money to a development company for vaporware. You have no rights to anything EXCEPT what they physically give you the day you give them your money. Otherwise anything they pitch is negotiable, at their discretion. You have no say in the process nor do you have any say in the final product. You have rights when you buy stock (a better way to support a company, IMHO), not when you Kickstart. In the eternal words of any consumer protection agency, 'Caveat Emptor'.
It's a done deal, get over it. Go talk to customer services about a refund and then either pull that trigger and have done with it or get back on board and accept the game for what it now is. Jeez how much more pain does anyone want to wring out of this? Time to move on. Make a choice.
Assumption.
In an offline game the "virtual server" would not have to simulate anything but a few ly around the player.
It would be very bad programming to "simulate" something that has no effect on the player and that the player can not interact with.
My guess is that mostly it was conflicting with The Vision of social connected online multiplayer blahwhatever.
As if they would have anything to say at all after they declare bankrupt because then the manager who take over try to sell the online game together with all customer data and not make the data public how we could set up our own server.
Every time I think of THE VISION, and particularly of social connected multiplayer I get this horrific image of a facebook interface plastered onto the front of Elite Dangerous with social media and advertising crowding around us wherever we fly. Along with all our social contacts and their lolkitty videos. Because it's THE VISION.
Fair point made. There are a lot of bad examples on KS.
I'm linking it by association on their forums though.
At least this isn't myIDkey and something very close to what was promised is being released.
Offline was not a stretch goal, it was a design goal.
It's a good thing that your idea of defamation doesn't match up to the legal definition eitherJust because you say something is the case doesn't make it so, no matter how often you repeat it.
Indeed. It's not as if I'm behaving like the Code Avarice team... They should call themselves lucky that Gabe was jiffy with merely banning the devs from Steam for life.
Can't agree with that. Are you trying to say that my PC is slower at passing data around than my broadband connection?
Or maybe rewriting the code to only simulate things in the vicinity of the player and related optimizations for single-machine install of the whole infra would have take a lot of additional time and effort from the devs.
Aren't they already doing that with the instance-islands?
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Ok Joe, point made. But would you have the same attitude if multiplayer had been pulled for the sake of the offline game?
And as has been mentioned previously, there will be other backers who are not yet aware of this issue. Brace yourself...........
No they are not.
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So let me get this straight. :S
You go into a shop order a specific game, that specifies offline compatable no internet connection will be required and wait. You go to get your game and you can't play it because you need an online connection that you don't have.
You'd be happy if the supplier said *!$* you no refunds? You then argue your misrepresentation case. They say sorry about the offline thing but no refund and your happy? ARE YOU MAD!!!!!
These guys just ripped you off, laughed in your face and said HA HA HA I have your hard earned cash and I conned you but You aren't getting it back see ya!
Then a few days later say Calm down Son. In 5 or 10 years time we'll give you a copy that will work. Until then be patient.
So my question to David and Co now is, If it's that simple to do a sync and dump in 5 or 10 years (when as Michael has already said the Galaxy model will be significantly larger), then it's simple to do at launch
And at every major expansion. So if it isn't and YOU HAVE LIED TO US ALREADY!! Why should we belive you will deliver when you have no motivation to deliver that copy when you are shutting down the servers? Either that's because you're broke, or can't be bothered running them anymore, unless of course you'd enlighten us to your criteria for server shut down. you're exceedingly quiet about that.
So why would you expect us to believe you, when you won't do it now when you have the money to do it and it would actually be a good PR exercise?
In the words of Judge Judy.... If it doesn't sound right or make sense, it just isn't true.
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I don't think it works like that (though do feel this was ultimately a financial decision).
Ditto. It's a small thing, but it goes a long way.
I had to laugh at the removal of my post (because it was too big), while later a post that took up my entire screen, but was about shipmodels, was kept and even fully quoted by mister Braben and off course answered upon.
I left the thread after that, lol
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Hey - you know that little 'screen' in the cockpit between your legs .... it's where facebook could be put
I am kidding - please, I am kidding
Because it would detract from THE VISION. I may be getting a bit snarky but when FDEV decide to not only pull the rug from under offline but then also decide not to refund anyone as well (as we're now hearing), it's almost tempting to imagine ways I could just be mean, like issuing chargebacks for every individual ship skin I bought, one at a time, leaving a 24 hour lead time between each one. The financial equivalent of a denial of service attack.
Not that I would do it, but really, I'm having happy thoughts of blood and thunder due to the way Frontier are treating their fanbase like a doormat right now.
Now i really wonder ... David said exactly the same things i already told you. However my explanation didn't satisfy you.
But happy to see that you got it now.
Because it was an apology, and an explanation from someone who actually knows what he's talking about... no offence.
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