Guide / Tutorial Nutter’s explorers guide to the Galaxy

I actually have to disagree... If someone went to "discover" America same time as Columbus but went there and back in shorter time who would get glory? One that came back first or Columbus? Columbus would still get his "bonus" but he wouldnt be first to discover sort of thing.

back in the middle ages. yes. nowadays. most certainly not.

We care about facts. For more recent happenings not from the dark ages of humanity read up on North Pole expeditions and who was or wasn't there first. Contested and debated well into this century!

Nowadays the first to be back would get the initial credits and fame. But history books and wikipedia would give credit to the one who was acrually demonstratably there first.

Same for peaks. First on a mountain is not the one who was back down first. Or discoveries. Or math. Heck even patents....


Answer me this:

If the russians would have been on the moon filming and welcoming the americans. But had slower spaceship and were back after americans. Who would be considered the first to have been on the moon today?
 
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Valid point i have to admit. but if I come back with data month before you. I will get all the spoils of being the first do discover this or that. If you come back and show that u were there an hour before me will they take away my prize? No. they wont. I will still be first to bring the new maps and maybe history books will admit you were there before me. I will get the spoils and you go to the books.
Columbus wasnt first to discover America. Vikings did before. Now we admit it.But he got his rewards.

and to add to it patents ? there is so many stolen ideas that we cant even imagine... guys to patent stuff first werent ones who discovered stuff first...
 
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I actually have to disagree... If someone went to "discover" America same time as Columbus but went there and back in shorter time who would get glory? One that came back first or Columbus? Columbus would still get his "bonus" but he wouldnt be first to discover sort of thing.

Funny you should mention it, but Leif Eriksson discovered America before Columbus but it was largely unknown until recent times.
 
I think the finished version of exploring was intended to reward the first back with data in Cash! The first to find gets the fame and a smaller sum.

Also we discussed the idea of selling more than once (Factions), at a risk of being caught..
 
I think the finished version of exploring was intended to reward the first back with data in Cash! The first to find gets the fame and a smaller sum.

Also we discussed the idea of selling more than once (Factions), at a risk of being caught..


I think that's the best way, my only issue is the first to discover something won't always be recognised as such since it doesn't seem to have been mentioned in Michaels post.

Its a pity that a lot of "first to discover" history will only live on through 3rd party means, like patau82s record books, and the numerous YouTube exploration vids made during gamma and early release. For example I'm 99% sure I was the first to survey VY Canis Majoris as I was out there within a few hours of the gamma bubble being removed, but I know I was well down the pecking order for handing the data in as I didn't return until a few days later.

Its a given that many other players have surveyed stuff first too but not been the first to cash it in. So unless they screenshotted stuff with timestamps their achievements won't live on.

But all in all I'm really happy explorers now at least can leave their mark on the galaxy and be recognised for it. Its long overdue :)
 
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I wonder if collecting 'all of a kind' in exploration will become a thing.
I tend to explore named stars, and try to seek out as many of a 'group' as possible. I usually run into them by chance, really, it's very hard to browse the stars on the galaxy map.

Mandatory epeen screenshot with some good finds: http://i.imgur.com/LGzcrFv.jpg ;-)
 
this is lol... binary black holes... good for me :p
nice one to finish the day...

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Valid point i have to admit. but if I come back with data month before you. I will get all the spoils of being the first do discover this or that. If you come back and show that u were there an hour before me will they take away my prize? No. they wont. I will still be first to bring the new maps and maybe history books will admit you were there before me. I will get the spoils and you go to the books.
Columbus wasnt first to discover America. Vikings did before. Now we admit it.But he got his rewards.

and to add to it patents ? there is so many stolen ideas that we cant even imagine... guys to patent stuff first werent ones who discovered stuff first...

you can keep your rewards (extra money) and a temporary entry in the history book (aka the galaxy/system map). I really have no problem with that.

But the galaxy/system map should display my name as first discoverer once I have returned and sold my data and profen I was there first.

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I think the finished version of exploring was intended to reward the first back with data in Cash! The first to find gets the fame and a smaller sum.

THAT is the way it should work!

they can even scrap the smaller sum! But a "first discovered" tag should go to the first discoverer!


Sometimes being an engineer and having worked in research is a . This first discovered to first seller bothers me so much more than it rightfully should...
 
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A snip at 25,488 credits. Thanks. :)
The enormous Ammonia world at HIP 8693 pulled 27,731.
Once I've chased down those two PSB mentioned and a couple more I've seen lying around I should have enough to make a good fit.

WOW that must be using Earth like formula! - Funny thing is I lost that data when I popped in the Bubble! lol
 
WOW that must be using Earth like formula! - Funny thing is I lost that data when I popped in the Bubble! lol

It's a little bit less than the Earthlikes, but a nice earner.

The formula I have i
Value = Lm + I(2 - 2**(-(m/adjust)**power))

Where L is a linear coefficient (a slow increase based on mas, I is an initial value (the lowest value for a particular type of object), m is madss, adjustment and power are variables to fit the curve. I don't think it is perfect but it gets very close. I'll post the values for different curves when I get home. :)
 
more explorer clarifications from Michael:

Quote Originally Posted by Sloma View Post
Hi Michael,

I have few questions which might be important for those of us who are exploring the galaxy.

1. Are there any plans to introduce more 3D models of known nebulas i.e. Witch Head Nebula, NGC 7822 or Eagle Nebula. At the moment most of them have pretty generic models. Our Milky Way would look definitely much better with more variety.

2. Can we get a filter on galaxy map that would show visited / explored systems? I think this very important for explorers especially when you see a lot of systems with generic names, names which are difficult to remember.

3. Any plans to add additional effects (sometime in the future) to black holes and stars that are very close to each other?

Thanks in advance for taking time reading and answering these questions.


A:
1. Not at the moment - but when we focus on different areas of the galaxy we may revisit that.

2. Probably not, that data doesn't exist on that level of the map and would slow the map down to retrieve that data.

3. There are some fixes for the existing effects in 1.1 and bringing them to other suitable objects.

Michael


so no way to know if a system has been explored already until you are actually in it :-(


and one more:

Quote Originally Posted by Darayavahush View Post
Something that I, as explorer, would wish instead: that I could see my route on the map, that I have taken.
I imagine that I click on the start of my journey on "record new route" and from that time my traveled route is displayed between the start and the current location, including all waypoints. That would be great for me.


A: A history of where you've been on the galaxy map is on our wish list.

Michael


he as well explained that the top level galaxy map is entirely client side. Even stuff like system allegiance won't update on the clients until the next update of the game.
Which is why showing which systems have been already explored is non-trivial.
 
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Ok, here we go: a formula for obtaining planet values, and variables for some of the planet types.

View attachment 11628

Where m is the mass of the object in question.
L is a linear coefficient governing the asymptotic “high mass end” of the curve.
I is an initial value, the “lowest value for this type of object.”
root and adjustment govern the fit of the “low mass end” of the curve.

HMC:
adjustment = 1, root = 0.294, L = 10, I = 2000

Standard GGs:
adjustment = 150, root = 0.5, L = 0.055, I = 500

Class I GGs:
adjustment = 150, root = 0.5, L = 0.2, I = 1000

WW:
adjustment = 1, root = 0.333, L = 30, I = 8500

ELW and WW/CFT:
adjustment = 2.69, root = 0.33, L = 16, I = 21350

AMW:
adjustment = 5.5, root = 0.371, L = 22, I = 13600

Icy:
adjustment = 2, root = 0.34, L = 0.98, I = 330

In practice, the curve is split into two sections - there is a fast rise, then at high mass it slows into an asymptotic growth that approaches Value = Lm. (Oops, Value = Lm + 2I I should have said!)

In these scatter graphs, value is on the y axis and mass is on the x axis.
The blue diamonds are directly observed values from the game. The red squares are values generated using the formula above.
(Python script here - first part just runs this formula against a given batch of numbers, second commented part is a brute-force cruncher to find values.)
Code:
adjustment = 2
power = 2
root = 0.34
linear = 0.98
initial = 330

def calculate(mass,power,root,linear,initial,adjustment):
    result = power ** (-((mass/adjustment)**root))
    value = (2 * initial) - (initial * result)
    value += linear * mass
    return value

# Ordinary loop.
mass = 0
while mass <= 6:
    value = calculate(mass,power,root,linear,initial,adjustment)
    print(int(value))
    mass += 0.25

### Icy planets.
##datapoints = []
##datapoints.append([0.0161,374])
##datapoints.append([0.3202,435])
##datapoints.append([0.3391,437])
##datapoints.append([0.7693,461])
##datapoints.append([1.116,474])
##datapoints.append([1.9382,494])
##datapoints.append([2.6713,507])
##datapoints.append([5.3159,537])
##datapoints.append([7.2701,552])
##datapoints.append([22.149,615])
##datapoints.append([53.9221,677])
##datapoints.append([87.2401,715])

### ELW and WW/CFT
##datapoints = []
##datapoints.append([0.147,26344])
##datapoints.append([0.4208,28060])
##datapoints.append([0.4314,28105])
##datapoints.append([0.5042,28393])
##datapoints.append([0.6213,28765])
##datapoints.append([0.805,29314])
##datapoints.append([1.4701,30633])
##datapoints.append([1.4969,30674])

###AMW
##datapoints = []
##datapoints.append([0.1821,15989])
##datapoints.append([0.2204,16168])
##datapoints.append([0.3924,16751])
##datapoints.append([0.4394,16873])
##datapoints.append([0.4662,16938])
##datapoints.append([4.0172,19920])
##datapoints.append([49.6573,25488])
##datapoints.append([103.9279,27731])
##
### Main brute-force loop.
##results = []
##
##adjustment = 1.7
##while adjustment <= 2.5:
##    initial = 325
##    while initial <= 331:
##        root = 0.3
##        while root < 0.4:
##
##            linear = 0
##            while linear <= 1.5:
##
##                goodfit = True
##                
##                for datapoint in datapoints:
##                    mass = datapoint[0]
##                    value = datapoint[1]
##                    gval = calculate(mass, power, root, linear, initial, adjustment)
##                    gdif = value - gval
##                    #print(mass,int(gval),int(gdif))
##                    if gval < (value - 4) or gval > (value + 4):
##                        goodfit = False
##                        break
##                        
##                if goodfit == True:
##                    print(initial,round(root,3),round(linear,3),round(adjustment,3))
##                    results.append([initial,root,linear,adjustment])
##                    
##                linear += 0.001
##                
##            root += 0.001
##        initial += 1
##    adjustment += 0.01
##    print(round(adjustment,3))
##
##print('Done')
##
##for result in results:
##    print(result[0],round(result[1],3),round(result[2],3),round(result[3],3))

# HMC
# Good fit: adjustment = 1
# power = 2, root = 1/3.4
# linear = 10, initial = 2000

# Std. GG
# Good fit: adjustment = 150
# power = 2, root = 1/2
# linear = 0.055, initial = 500

# GG Class I
# Good fit: adjustment = 150
# power = 2, root = 1/2
# linear = 0.2, initial = 1000

# WW
# Reasonable: adjustment = 1
# power = 2, root = 1/3
# linear = 30, initial = 8500

# ELW and WW/CFT
# Good fit: adjustment = 2.69
# power = 2, root = 0.33
# linear = 16, initial = 21350

# AMW
# Reasonable: adjustment = 5.5
# power = 2, root = 0.371
# linear = 22, initial = 13600

# Icy
# Good fit: adjustment = 2
# power = 2, root = 0.34
# linear = 0.98, initial = 330

Overall graph for Icy worlds:
icyoverall.png

Low-mass graph for Icy worlds:
icylowmass.png

Overall graph for Ammonia worlds:
AMWoverall.png

Low-mass graph for Ammonia worlds:
AMWlowmass.png

It's not terribly useful, but it's nice to have something that works. :)
 
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After some 15.000 LYs travelled, it finally happened: I took heavy damage after jumping right inbetween the two stars. There have been several close calls so far, but nothing nearly this serious. Due to extreme proximity of that secondary yellow-orange star (see the spoiler below) I got instant emergency drop from SC and start cooking... REAL fast. Conveniently, escape vector was pointing into the primary star :eek: Heat over 350%, canopy cracking, sparks, fire and smoke everywhere... I'm still amazed that I could escape that death trap before going poof.

Screenshot_0211.png

Yep. I am now officialy scared of the binaries. I will try to drag my ass home but it may be tricky with my shieldless 7% hull Hauler. 5000 LYs to go, yay!
 
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After some 15.000 LYs travelled, it finally happened: I took heavy damage after jumping right inbetween the two stars. There have been several close calls so far, but nothing nearly this serious. Due to extreme proximity of that secondary yellow-orange star (see the spoiler below) I got instant emergency drop from SC and start cooking... REAL fast. Conveniently, escape vector was pointing into the primary star :eek: Heat over 350%, canopy cracking, sparks, fire and smoke everywhere... I'm still amazed that I could escape that death trap before going poof.


Yep. I am now officialy scared of the binaries. I will try to drag my ass home but it may be tricky with my shieldless 7% hull Hauler. 5000 LYs to go, yay!

Yee-ouch. That is the reason i fitted a pair of heat sink launchers to my asp, and also turn off every module i don't need to save heat.
 
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